Mixed Culture Saison

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  1. Cschmidt87

    Cschmidt87 Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2008 Colorado

    I am brewing a batch of Saison based off of Ed Coffey's "Farmer in the Rye" http://www.alesoftheriverwards.com/2013/06/the-farmer-in-rye-saison.html). The grain bill is the same, but the hops and yeast are not. Due to the high IBU's I am dropping the hops down to 1 bittering addition of Columbus to put it around 10 IBUs. For yeast I want to use a blend of 3711, INIS Brett Barrell III, and INIS Lactobacillus Delbrueckii.

    My question is mostly about pitching rate. I need 385 Billion yeast cells (saccharomyces) for the full 11 gallons of wort. I currently have a 2.5L of the 3711 going and a small 1L starter of brett going. Do I need to get a starter of lacto going as well? I only have one vial of lacto and I want to pitch everything together. I have no interest in a sour mash or pre-pitching the lacto. The end goal is to have a refreshingly tart saison, nothing super sour.

    Thanks!
     
    #1 Cschmidt87, Nov 9, 2016
  2. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    10ibu is going to hinder Lacto D from souring at all. I would recommend eliminating the IBU or at least dropping them below 3.
     
    #2 secondbase, Nov 9, 2016
  3. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I would do a starter with the lacto and I agree to drop your IBU's to 0.

    Whether you do a starter or not I would Pitch the lacto first warm (100-110) and let the beer naturally cool down and once its in the mid 70's pitch your sach and brett strains(8-12 hours??). I've heard a lot of people having trouble with Lacto D souring at all and giving it a little bit of a head start may help create a moderate amount of acidity during the bulk fermentation.
     
    #3 psnydez86, Nov 9, 2016
  4. Cschmidt87

    Cschmidt87 Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2008 Colorado

    Weird. Everything I have read over the years says that 10-15(max) IBUs is fine. Am I missing something?
     
    #4 Cschmidt87, Nov 10, 2016
  5. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Maybe just outdated information??

    Some of the more aggressive Lacto strains out there wouldn't be able to handle 15 ibus out of the vial.

    After reusing Lacto and helping it gain a hop tolerance perhaps but not a fresh lab pitch of lacto.

    Check out milk the funk on Facebook or listen to the sour hour podcast. Really great info. Especially on Lacto.
     
    #5 psnydez86, Nov 10, 2016
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