Modifying all grain IPA Kit

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  1. jmassey74

    jmassey74 Initiate (0) Sep 26, 2017 Florida

    Hi all, I have searched the forum and I am unable to see a post about this as of yet. If it is there and I have overlooked it I apologize in advance. I recently received a beginner 1 gallon all grain everyday IPA kit. I am not a huge fan of IPA's or very hoppy bitter beers. This recipe calls for 1 packet of Columbus hops at the beginning of the boil and then Chinook hops a few times during. My question is this...can I use only one of these to cut down on the hoppiness of my brew? like maybe just use the Chinook hops in the boil instead of adding the Columbus at the beginning? I am new to home brew this will be my first attempt so any advice or help is very welcome.
     
  2. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    What kinds of beers do you like, if you don't like IPAs?
     
  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    First, welcome to the addiction. Leaving the Columbus out will make it less bitter, but not less hoppy. Suggest "How to Brew" by Palmer to get the big picture...good luck.
     
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  4. jmassey74

    jmassey74 Initiate (0) Sep 26, 2017 Florida

    Awesome ill give that a try! thank you! and is that a book or is that another thread?
     
  5. jmassey74

    jmassey74 Initiate (0) Sep 26, 2017 Florida

    Im a fan of yuengling, ill drink michelob ultra, been known to drink pbr if its around(and if im broke), i'm usually a fan of lighter types of beer. Ill try most anything as long as its not overly bitter. I know that there is a certain bitterness that comes with the drink itself just not a huge fan of when its overly bitter.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Can you please provide more details on this kit. For example what are the hop amounts (weights) of each packet? What is the exact hopping schedule of this kit (i.e., how much hops at each addition and the timing of the additions).
    The term of "hoppiness" can be ambiguous. Hops provides the qualities of bitterness and hop flavor/aroma. Are you looking to just lessen one of these qualities?

    Cheers!
     
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  7. jmassey74

    jmassey74 Initiate (0) Sep 26, 2017 Florida

    Im not at home right now so I am unable to provide the weights of the packets but there small packets to me. The entire pack of columbus hops go in at the beginning of the boil and then the Chinook Hops(about the same size packet) are divided into 5 portions,1st addition is 15 mins into the boil,2nd is at 30 minutes in, 3rd is at 45 mins in, 4th is at 55 mins in, and last addition is at 60 minutes, turning off the heat and adding the remaining Hops.
     
  8. jmassey74

    jmassey74 Initiate (0) Sep 26, 2017 Florida

    yes I want to lessen the bitterness
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Then eliminating the Columbus hops which are boiled for 60 minutes will indeed lessen the bitterness of this kit beer.

    You stated: “the Chinook Hops(about the same size packet) are divided into 5 portions,1st addition is 15 mins into the boil,2nd is at 30 minutes in, 3rd is at 45 mins in, 4th is at 55 mins in, and last addition is at 60 minutes, turning off the heat and adding the remaining Hops.”

    The Chinook additions of “1st addition is 15 mins into the boil,2nd is at 30 minutes in..” may provide all of the bitterness you want but that is dependent on the amounts added then and what level of bitterness you are seeking in this beer. The other boil additions (45 mins and 55 mins) will also add a bit of bitterness but to a lesser extent due to the short(er) boiling durations.

    Needless to say but none of us can answer that second part (what level of bitterness you are seeking in this beer) for you.

    Perhaps your best bet here is to follow your gut instincts and just nix the Columbus addition?

    Cheers!
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Another option would be to just use less of the Columbus hops: for example just add 1/4 or 1/2 of the packet.

    Cheers!
     
  11. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    When you get home, post the ingredients of your kit and someone can run it through some brewing software to tell you how much of those hops your should add. Make sure to include the AA% of those hops. You'll probably want your IBUs around 10 or 15, judging by what you like to drink.
     
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  12. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Harsh pill to swallow for ya: The beers you enjoy drinking will require a ton of time and equipment investment to brew. Lagers are tough to brew and take a fair amount of time to mature. They also require a bit more equipment, as you have to maintain cooler temperatures. All in all, more than you should invest in a gallon batch.
    Your best bet is to use half the Columbus, toss the Chinook, brew it, be disappointed, and tell the person that gifted it to you that it was a great gift, but just more work than you are willing to put into a beer.
     
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  13. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Surely he can brew a blonde ale that's drinkable, albeit probably boring, with the ingredients that he has.
     
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  14. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Maybe, and maybe its the start of his homebrew journey. More likely, he cuts corners, is super lax with sanitation, and ends up with a shit beer.
     
  15. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Look on the box for IBU amount. Their probably 7 grams/1/4 oz or 3.5 gram packets so i'll guess boil 3.5 grams of columbus for 15 mins.
     
  16. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Someone pee in your Wheaties today? :wink:

    Although I certainly understand what you're saying, I try to stay positive with stuff like this. Beer brewing is pretty forgiving and as long as you know what to expect, the outcome shouldn't be too terribly disappointing. I mean, he'll still have beer at the end of the whole thing, after all. Even if it's not PBR.

    Easy to be jaded with beginner questions after you've been brewing for a long time. I'm jaded by nature, so I have to constantly remind myself how long it took me to find my ass with both hands.
     
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  17. Zonk

    Zonk Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2014 New Jersey

    Seriously, he took the time to go to a homebrew forum, to do a better job. Doesn't lead me to believe he's particularly lax.

    I think you should just cut down on the hops (aim for 20 - 30ish IBU's) after we know what was included and make a serviceable blonde ale.
     
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  18. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

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  19. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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  20. jmassey74

    jmassey74 Initiate (0) Sep 26, 2017 Florida

    Ok so the weights for the hops aren’t marked on the package that I can see but I weighed them down to the gram with a food scale,there are 5 grams of Columbus hops and 10-11 grams of Chinook hops.
     
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