Monkish Brewing (January 2017)

The season ticket holder next to us at the SC game brings his kid and spends the whole game on his iPad. To that kid, it may as well be a parking lot

Fact is, parents try to do some things they like every now and then and they accept the risks of bringing their kids with them, be it a brewery or a football game.

 

Kids that age don't know or care whether it's necessary or not - it's a boring activity that their parent is dragging them along to.

And once you have kids, you're still allowed to run personal errands occasionally.

Again, I get that you guys don't want to drink around a bunch of annoying kids. But that doesn't make it morally wrong for parents to bring said kids. If it really bugs you, get the brewery to change to 21+, as plenty are.

 

The kids don't know or care so it doesn't matter what activities you do with them? that's a pretty weak argument.

To me it's more about the choices the parents make. Not what the kid is aware of or not

Yes, you are legally allowed to take your kid to wait in the parking lot for beer. That doesn't mean you're making the best use of your child's time, in my opinion

 

Does it mean you are costing your child all that much or putting him/her in harm's way? Probably no to that too.

It's a pretty high bar to reach if you define a "good parent" as one who is maximizing 100% of their child's time. My parents wouldn't have met that threshold and they didn't spend any time waiting in line for beers when I was a child.

Does a parent who lets his kid watch some TV so he can read the paper become a bad parent because TV isn't the best use of that child's time?

 

Well the good news is when you have kids, you'll be able to devote all of your time to making the best use of theirs.

I didn't say they didn't know, or didn't care. They'd surely much rather be at Chuck-e-cheese or a sports activity. They surely don't care between waiting at the DMV or the doctors office or the brewery though.

 

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I take it you bring your kids to parking lots?

I don't think it's a very high bar to expect parents not to bring their kids to parking lots to wait for beer. Most parents I know have very limited time with their kids between work and other responsibilities. 2 to 3 hours, or more, seems like an excessive amount of time to waste if you have very limited free time.

I can see how this is a touchy subject for parents who bring their kids to these things

 

uh, yeah you did. that's literally what you said. a few posts above

 

No, but primarily based on the fact that I do not have children.

I think this is an unreasonable expectation on your part, but you are certainly free to feel that way.

I am not a fan of kids in breweries either, but I don't consider someone who brings his kid to one a bad parent.

While I personally find it to be an excessive amount of time and I would not bring my kids to a beer release if I had them, I am also not going to pass judgment on someone who does decide to, especially when I have absolutely no idea who they are or how they are with their children the rest of the time.

Funny thing is, I don't have kids and the people that seem touchy about the subject are all the people projecting their own morals on other people and criticizing them without really knowing anything about them.

 

But do be fair isn't that what we are doing in this thread?

 

Whose post are you referring to?

 

We should go back to kids getting their unwashed hands all over the video games at PizzaPorts.... =P

 

Does that matter? Does the intent of why you are at a game offset the violence and public drunkenness witnessed by kids at the game?

I mean, the concern is over the fact kids were being exposed to violence and drinking at the Monkish lines but because you go to the football game for fun, it no longer matters?

(For the record, I agree with the gist of your post - it is life and we all operate by different moral codes. I'm sure we all do something someone else would find immoral.)

 

That mule life...

 

wait a minute, so I'm free to have my own opinion? awesome!

I never said someone was a bad parent. it just seems like a poor choice of time spent with a child.

all the arguments towards pro-kids-in-parking-lots are very strawman-esque. "well, it's better then them witnessing violence at a sports game" "oh, so you are going to devote 100% of your time to your kids?"

no, it just seems kind of sad to me when I see it. of course it's none of my business what choices someone I don't know makes, but, that's just my opinion and if I had kids I don't think I'd be dragging them along with me to stand in a parking lot for hours so I can get beer

 

So 2016, dude. Get with it.

 

At least for now. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years.

Duly noted. Other people do not share your opinion.

I never said it was better than them witnessing violence at a sports game. Just pointing out that it isn't all that different in that respect to taking them to a sporting event. It is about showing an equivalency.

If the concern with kids at Monkish can releases is because of the public drunkenness and violence (which is fair), the same concern should apply to football games (but it doesn't).

So, if you're ok with someone taking their kid to a football game, accepting the risks of violence and public drunkenness, I cannot fathom what your issue with bringing them to a Monkish line is other than the fact they'd probably be more bored.

Sure, and I would act similarly to you if I had a kid.

However, IMO, not bringing your kid to a Monkish release doesn't make you a good parent just like bringing your kid to a Monkish line doesn't make you a bad parent.

As I said before, I think a good parent can take their kid somewhere and be able to handle the situation and coach the kid if something unpleasant happens instead of trying to shield the kid from everything that is bad out there in the world.

 

The whole libertarian or objectivist argument disappears once you're affected, whether directly or indirectly. I'm willing to accept the notion of one's individual right to waste time in line for hours in a parking lot, but if you add a toddler into the mix (evidenced by the stroller), that crosses into reckless endangerment territory. You're talking about the intersection of public intoxication, desire for profit (resellers), and hoarding. If history is any indication of what the potential outcome may be, you're just looking at disaster or tragedy.

 

Also, for all this talk about public drunkenness and violence at the can releases, can someone tell me how often this is actually happening?

Been to every midweek one since the canning line was installed and I have not seen a single altercation and maybe 1-2 shares in line (a major decrease compared to the weekend releases).

I am not at all suggesting that there haven't been any altercations or all line shares have stopped entirely, but the comments certainly do not match up with my personal experience and it seems there is a lot of manufactured outrage.