Most Underrated Styles?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by unlikelyspiderperson, May 21, 2020.

  1. Amendm

    Amendm Champion (835) Jun 7, 2018 Rhode Island
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    I would be surprised if a Beer such as Modernism would be classified as a European Dark Lager if it was brewed in Europe.

    And yes to Jacks Abby's German Style Porter, classified as a Baltic Porter, was a hit for me.

    4.1/5 rDev +4.1%
    look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

    An easy pour from a 16-oz. can yields a finger of dark beige rocky froth with long retention and wide swatches of lacing.
    Opaque dark rosewood brown color, almost black.
    Smells of chocolate, coffee, fresh baked bread, sweet and roasted malt (unmalted barley?). These are prominent during the taste.
    Neutral on the sweetness with mild bitterness, even throughout. Some smoke flavor peeks in, ripe stone fruit and baked bread are prominent. Balanced malt flavors (bitter and sweet) plus yeast and a moderate astringency at the long finish. Roasted flavors linger during the long aftertaste.
    Light bodied, on the thin side with above average carbonation. Smooth and light, easy drinker.
    Porter like looks and taste, Dunkel Lager smell, Schwarzbier like feel and balance of sweet and bitter.
    Lots of flavor packed into a light body, another beauty from the Kellerbier series.

    Mar 12, 2019 Edit Delete

    It appears to be a lighter version of Framinghammer.
    Cheers.
     
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  2. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Initiate (153) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    English Bitters (in the US) and Milds, especially of the lower ABV variety but really across the board.
     
  3. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Poo-Bah (7,489) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    There's really only 2 brands that are common to find State side, both from Belgium... Deus and Malheur

    I would find their bottles occasionally, but these days I am rarely ever seeing them. Mikkeller also made a very good one in the past too. Real fun and appreciative style, just like the name says. Bottles though tend to run pricey.

    Had a few Dame Jeannes that I bought as a gift to myself back in the day... those were awesome too
     
  4. bsp77

    bsp77 Poo-Bah (2,330) Apr 27, 2008 Minnesota
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    What I would love to see made more often is Tmave lagers - basically Czech style dark lagers
     
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  5. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,201) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    When I saw reports on that, and considered the pretty recent domino-ish circumstances of Fuller's, Greene King, and Marston's, it got me thinking (yet again) about the import options we have today. Barring the English beers in the B. United and Shelton Bros. portfolios - which seem very rare to come across these days, at this point I can only think of one regularly obtainable English product in US stores that isn't from a multinational - Samuel Smith. I could certainly be forgetting about some others, but that picture is alarming.

    Here's an article on the Marston's deal that's worth a read. As someone who had a little attachment to Young's in the past, it feels like that brand is being tossed around like a hot potato.
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,653) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The good news is the the updated BJCP style guidelines of 2015 has a style definition for Czech Dark Lager. I have only seen a few of these types of beers brewed by US breweries but those I have had were well brewed.

    A shout out to Triple Crossing Czech Dark Lager:

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    Na Zdravi!
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,653) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Another quality Czech Dark Lager was made by Imprint Brewing:

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    And for those folks willing to make the trip to Prague (which I strongly recommend):

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    Cheers!
     
  8. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,794) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Good to see, and I'll have to check it out. But my initial reaction is that it's a start, but still doesn't seem to address the variations in flavor profile and gravity. On the positive side, if a brewer makes a dark lager it doesn't need to be square-pegged as either a dunkel or a schwartzbier any more.
     
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  9. MNAle

    MNAle Poo-Bah (1,908) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota
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    Robinsons?
     
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  10. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,201) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Good call. And they only owe it all to Bruce Dickinson (literally).
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,653) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, I would encourage you to read the style definition in the BJCP style guidelines. Below is just a short snippet:

    “Overall Impression: A rich, dark, malty Czech lager with a roast character that can vary from almost absent to quite prominent. Malty with an interesting and complex flavor profile, with variable levels of hopping providing a range of possible interpretations.”

    FWIW I had over a half dozen brands of Czech Dark Lager in the Czech Republic and none of those beers had a “prominent” roast character. I have had less than that amount of American brewed Czech Dark Lagers but none of those beers had a “prominent” roast character either. And my homebrewed Tmavý Ležák (Czech Dark Lager) is not roasty either.

    Na Zdravi!
     
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  12. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,794) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Ha! Yeah, they're covering a lot of bases there. :slight_smile:

    From my own recollection Herold Black Lager definitely had a prominent roast character; Bernard less so; and Czechvar was the most like a dunkel.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,653) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I did not see any Herald beer on tap at any of the numerous pubs I went to but I did have several 1/2 liters of the Bernard which did not have a "prominent" malt flavor as I discussed above. And I did drink a lot of Budweiser Budvar but only the Bohemian Pilsner since I did not see their Dark Lager on tap anywhere.

    On a related note at the pubs the number of taps for Bohemian Pilsners (Czech Pale Lager) greatly outnumbered those for Dark Lagers. It would seem that the Czechs much prefer to drink Pale Lagers.

    Na Zdravi!
     
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  14. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,794) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    That's cool. I wouldn't use the word prominent either, which is what I was trying to say.
     
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  15. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (7,322) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    All the Trooper I see are always past date and stored on warm shelves. When I reviewed it, it was the freshest I found, still past best by.
     
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  16. 305STIguy

    305STIguy Initiate (45) Oct 24, 2019 Florida

    Old and way overpriced.

    I have a difficult time finding Rauchbier and consistent Kölsch.
     
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  17. John123will

    John123will Initiate (88) Jun 27, 2018 Indiana

     
  18. plaid75

    plaid75 Poo-Bah (4,355) Jan 13, 2005 New York
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    These days, j,ust about every German style.
     
  19. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Poo-Bah (2,124) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    Dark Lagers for me, love that roasted feel. Super refreshing on hot summer days.
     
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  20. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Aspirant (279) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia

    I think too many people have the impression that a Dark Lager isn't drinkable in the summer. Schwarbier is a great summer style. Munich Dunkel too!
     
  21. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Poo-Bah (2,124) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    I love them, I was working outside a few weekends ago and it was blazing hot, kicked back a few dark lagers and it was so refreshing, to me they are perfect for summer time.
    Cheers :beers:
     
  22. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Poo-Bah (7,489) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    yeah... same here... I am a big Kolsch fan as well.

    Stateside made Kolsch's still come up from time to time I notice. I also seem to remember it was made a little more often, and more common by breweries years ago. Seemed like every new brewery was making a Kolsch.

    I got the impression it was a good starter intro style for non craft beer drinkers to have when they visited a brewery or were trying to decide what to try first if they were a common mass lager drinker. Unfortunately too it sort of became for a little bit there like Gose is now, the style to become.... say lets add a whole bunch of fruit or whatever else we can to make this more wild, particularly a ton of hops!

    Which is polarizing for some people, oh well.

    I loved trying some of the bottled Kolsch's I could get (wasn't anywhere near Koln Kolsch country) when I was in Germany. Just a great style.
     
  23. woemad

    woemad Poo-Bah (3,604) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    Pilsener still gets a bum rap from people who think a light drinking, light colored lager automatically equals an AAL. I used to be one of those. Fortunately, I got over it a while ago.
     
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