Most versatile hop

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  1. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Went to the homebrewer section.
     
  2. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Going into a tangent here, but worth the effort anyway.

    GMO crops are not necessarily all that is evil. Humans have been using genetically modified plants ever since seeds have been planted. Any ancient moron knew that the fruit or vegetable from the plant that produces the best harvest is going to be the one that will be used to produce next years harvest. Those genetics were carefully selected, even if it took multiple generations of harvest and continual improvement.

    BUT, what about when one company monopolizes our food supply? Looking at you Monsanto. What about when the GMO is specifically designed to allow for the use of certain pesticides and herbicides? ... Monsanto... And what happens when we have little choice in any of this?

    The use of GMO crops comes with a lot of baggage. I'm not even saying pesticide and herbicide is always bad (ask a starving dirt farmer how they feel about it) only that GMO has social, economical and environmental implications.

    Cheers
     
  3. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    And plants have pandemics too. What if something like Chestnut Blight targeted the one or 2 GMO grains still being grown 20 years from now? Mass starvation, thanks to GMO's. While it may not be "efficient" in the economist's lingo, diversity is essential to survival. This concept applies to everything from job skills to the survival of a species.

    At least we have plenty of diversity in hop varieties!
     
  4. Beer_Life

    Beer_Life Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2020 New York

    I agree with what others have said. I'll just point out that the GMO yeasts we've seen on the market are using very modest tweaks to DNA, such as turning off STA1 or expressing lactic acid production more strongly, and that they're being manufactured by companies like Omega and Lallemand, not Monsanto. It's pretty obvious to me that GMO can be used for good or bad (if you really want to consider the high stakes version, note that scientists are proposing eliminating entire species of mosquitos through genetic manipulation). So you're not going to resolve the debate in the abstract, but I would use GMO yeast without hesitation.
     
  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Ha.
    Yeah.

    I await the demise of the Cavendish banana. As a non-banana eater it may be the wake up call the world needs to see our misguided ways.
    Who am I fucking kidding?
     
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  6. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Was that the year that Denny Conn and Drew Beechum talked about their book?
     
  7. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Funny! I just realized I have not eaten a banana in several years and do not miss them. The "apple bananas" I saw in Hawaii and Costa Rica many years ago might be a different matter (if they are even still around).

    And the Cavendish banana, like the Red Delicious "apple", did not even use any genes from snails or bacteria...
     
  8. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Huummmm
    I remember sugar bananas in hawiaa.
    Hahhahaahahaa
     
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  9. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    NO! I eat 2-3 bananas a day. No demise.
     
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  10. beershrine

    beershrine Pundit (819) May 29, 2004 Idaho

    I would try several like Cluster or Cascade. Chinook can have poor yields
     
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  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Probably, as it was Drew's first time there. I was hanging out with my wife, Denny, and Annie Johnson most of the time.
     
  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Chinook does the best for me, Cascade next best. Centennial is the worst American hop for yield. I should rip out the European hops, all yield next to nothing.
     
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  13. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    If you hung with Denny then we probably met. I was the brewing with hot peppers presentation right after them. Denny and I are in the same Brew Club.
     
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  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Yes we did meet and chat for a while.
     
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