Mt. Hood/Centennial/Willamette Pale Ale

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  1. Pick

    Pick Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2013 Texas

    Just wondering if these hops will play well together. What I want to end up with is a complex flavor and aroma that is not overly citrusy.

    Anyone have any experience with any combination of these hops?

    I was thinking of mt. hood mainly for flavor, willamette for aroma and centennial for some flavor and aroma but I don't want centennial taking over the show. I am using magnum for bittering as well.
     
  2. jncastillo87

    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

    How about magnum, Willamette and Crystal ?
     
  3. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Willamette and cascade go great, so I suspect Willamette and centennial would also go great. I doubt there's anything that doesn't go with Willamette. Don't skimp on the Willamette either, especially if you want complexity. These are pretty subtle, but still have great flavor and aroma if you are generous with them.

    No idea on Mt Hood. Never used them.
     
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  4. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Used Mt. Hood in the Brewers Best Smoked Porter and Belgian Caramel Wit kits primarily for bittering and used 1oz @ 10 min on a smoked ale I did recently. The porter I can't say much cause it was my first homebrew and it didn't last very long at all! I still have a couple BCW's and almost all the smoked. The smoked is still greenish (only a month in the bottle) and The BCW is about 4 months old. The bittering on both is very subtle, not prominent at all. Decent hop for bittering. The smoked was more malt forward so the hops are very subdued. I'd keep the Centennial to a minimum on this one!
     
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  5. Pick

    Pick Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2013 Texas

    I may go with cascade instead of centennial depending on LHBS availability. The shops around here don't have what you'd call "excellent" in store availability. Crystal is another one I was actually considering instead of Mt. Hood...what do all of you think?
     
  6. Pick

    Pick Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2013 Texas

    When you say "don't skimp", how generous are you suggesting? I plan on sprinkling .5oz of centennial OR cascade in around 15min and .5oz around 5min.

    Any suggestions on the mt. hood OR crystal addition amounts are welcome as well, I don't want to under do them. I would rather SLIGHTLY over do them if I don't quite get a good balance.
     
  7. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I know "Gandalph" has Crystal, used it once. Cant remember off hand which brew though....
     
  8. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    If you're asking about balance, it would be helpful to know some other details of the recipe...OG, for example.

    Don't have any experience with Willamette, but I might try at least a 2:1 ratio in favor of the Willamette and Mt. Hood if you're pairing them with Centennial, and you don't want the Cent. to dominate the hop profile. Good luck.
     
  9. Pick

    Pick Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2013 Texas

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  10. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

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    Hm...why the chocolate malt?

    I'd shoot for 45-50 IBU's. Get all your IBU's from late additions, 20 min. and under. Dry hop with 2 oz of Willamette and maybe .5 oz Centennial.

    Sounds like it'd make a tasty beer. The only question mark for me is the chocolate..but, hell, what do I know?

    Good luck!
     
  11. Pick

    Pick Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2013 Texas

    just enough to get that little bit of amber color in there without any of the roasty flavor...and because I've had it for while and it needs used up:wink:
     
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  12. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    Fair enough. I prefer my pales a bit on the paler side, though:slight_smile:
     
  13. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    If you're only going to use 0.5 at 15 and 0.5 at 5, you're going to wind up with a pretty darn subtle beer. Depending what you're aiming for, I'd suggest 1.5 oz of willamette at 5, and 1 oz at 15 (to maintain this subtle level of hopping). However, I'd personally use more hops for a pale, something like 1 oz cent or cascade at 15, 1 oz willmette at 15, 1 oz cascade or cent at 3, 2 oz willamette at 3.
     
  14. Pick

    Pick Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2013 Texas

    much appreciated, I was just trying not make this quite so bitter as some of my previous pales have been, but I also want to have a pretty decent hop presence, I don't want it too subtle so thanks for the advice.
     
  15. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    You could dial back the bittering hops at 60 to get a lower overall bitterness. BJCP guidelines on beersmith list APA as 30-45 IBUs, which I personally tend to think is a good range for my pale ales. No reason you couldn't dial the overall bittering to the low end, with mostly late hops as the source. Kinda like hop bursting, but without trying to make a full IPA-hoppy beer.
     
  16. Pick

    Pick Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2013 Texas

    I think that's what I'll have to do because I only have .25oz magnum at 60 min, maybe I'll just eliminate that and adjust the rest of the additions to come out to 38-39 IBU's, that's where I want to end up with this one.
     
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  17. Pick

    Pick Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2013 Texas

    So.......you know what they say about the best laid plans.....I got to the LHBS and went a little hop crazy, I picked up 3oz Willamette, 1oz each of centennial, cascade and amarillo. No more pale I guess, IPA it is, and what a wonderful smell this thing is giving off, I can't wait to try this thing...

    So I guess anyone still interested in a magnum/willamette/centennial/cascade/amarillo IPA stay tuned

    to all following to read about a pale ale...sorry I can't control myself.
     
  18. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I tried to restrain you!! .... well not really! HAHA!
     
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  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    My APA's are hoppy little bastards, yours can be too!
     
  20. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Heck, you're still in apa territory by today's standards. Besides, we've all had apa's that were hoppier than some IPAs. Dale's pale ale comes to mind. That hop combo will be amazing, BTW. You will be happy you picked up all that willamette, it will compliment the other hops very well.
     
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