My first batch - questions/observations

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  1. fishtizzy

    fishtizzy Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Ohio

    I'm concerned I've accelerated the fermentation process by pitching it warmer than it should - the krausen description in the article is matching what I'm seeing after only 12 hours...."A head of foamy kräusen will form on the beer as the sugar is converted to alcohol and the beer attenuates. The foam will be a light creamy color with islands of green-brown gunk that will tend to collect and adhere to the sides of the fermentor..."

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  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I wouldn't sweat 2 gravity points. But for educational purposes, here are possible reasons for lower than expected gravity with extract batches...
    - Measurement Error (eyeballed the hydrometer wrong)
    - Too Much Water
    - LME was left behind in the jugs
    - If partial boil, Wort and Top Off water not thoroughly mixed before measurement
    - Failure to correct measurement for temperature
    - Hydrometer not calibrated

    You definitely pitched too warm. Lesson learned. And yes, that's what a normal krausen looks like. Your beer will probably be drinkable, even if it's not great.
     
  3. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    You did accelerate the fermentation of your beer, but all is not lost. Because you did that, that's why several recommendations above advise you to let the beer sit on the yeast an extra period of time. The yeast will clean up behind themselves for most of the 'bad' things that are created during the fermentation, but some extra time on the yeast gives them more time to do their job since you likely created more esters than normal.
     
  4. fishtizzy

    fishtizzy Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Ohio

    I'm definitely willing to be patient on this to fix my mistake. 3-4 weeks in tank, 2 weeks in the bottle.
     
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  5. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    The worst consequence of fermenting way too hot early in fermentation is excess fusels. Short term aging isn't going to do much to fix this potential problem.

    If you can taste the booze and it is somewhat harsh like cheap vodka, hot fermentation was the culprit. It can cause instant headaches and neck aches after just a few beers and bad hangovers with excess consumption. Some people aren't significantly bothered by excess fusels.

    Fusel production will vary with the strain of yeast. I have no idea how fusel prone Windsor is.
     
  6. fishtizzy

    fishtizzy Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Ohio

    Assuming this is something I will taste after 2 weeks of fermentation when I check the gravity again?
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes.
     
  8. fishtizzy

    fishtizzy Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Ohio

    Ok let me try to sum up what my next steps are:
    1) Leave it alone for at least two weeks In Primary
    2) At two weeks check SG and taste - if heavy alcohol taste I'm screwed
    3) If not heavy on alcohol, let sit for another 1-2 weeks
    4) Bottle condition 2 weeks
    Any thing else I'm missing?
     
  9. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Nope, you're good to cross your fingers and hope that you'll have a pretty good but probably not great beer.
     
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  10. fishtizzy

    fishtizzy Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Ohio

    Thanks again everyone, I'll check in on this brew in a couple weeks.

    Till then...Cheers!
     
  11. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Please report back on how it turns out. We like hearing about homebrewing successes :slight_smile:

    Also, you might consider asking about any processes or recipe directions BEFORE you brew your next batch. As a couple people said above, the directions that come with kits mostly suck. We won't steer you wrong.
     
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  12. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Congratulations on getting your first brew underway. It sounds like you've got the right mindset to learn how to make great beer in the future, so that's a plus! :wink:

    Seriously, the pass mark for your first brew is "can I drink a glass of this and still want another tomorrow?" any better than that and you've done well. :grinning:
     
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  13. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    @fishtizzy , if it doesn't turn out good, just put them in a closet and forget about them for a few months. On one of my first beers I basically did what you did and it didn't turn out good. It was a porter. 6 months later however, and it was pretty good. Best of luck.
     
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  14. fishtizzy

    fishtizzy Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Ohio

    Quick update, last night I got home from work and it was down to 68 degrees and still churning, bubbles out of the airlock ever couple seconds but the krausen had subsided. This morning I finally got it down to 66 degrees and the krausen is really low with a lot less activity in the carboy, bubbles every 40-50 seconds. Looks like I was able to slow things down, hopefully in time.
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Unfortunately, the stage for ester/fusel production is set pretty early. I don't mean that to discourage you at all, just to set realistic expectations. But ester/fusel production in complex, with more factors than just temperature. You'll know soon enough if there's a problem.
     
  16. runbirddrinkbeer

    runbirddrinkbeer Pooh-Bah (1,722) Oct 24, 2009 Florida
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    As mentioned above, some of the off flavors will dissipate with time. The Caribou Slobber Brown Ale kit I did when I started had a "plastic taste" according to my wife when first sampled but rounded off over time and was pretty good. It suffered the same lack of temp control that yours did.....Many veteran homebrewers on here will tell you that temperature control is the single most important thing you can do to make better beer.

    by the way, Go Bobcats!!
     
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  17. fishtizzy

    fishtizzy Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Ohio

    Good advice and thank you. I'm actually looking into picking up a used chest freezer on CL and adding a temp controler to solve that issue. My problem is that my basement is finished and we dont have a lot of places that are consistently cool enough for fermentation. Right now its sitting in the closet in my basement bathroom with the vents blocked off and the window open at night. Needless to say my wife is not amused (but understanding because beer!). Go Bobcats!
     
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  18. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Second to good sanitation practices.

    If you have room for it, that is definitely the way to go. I use a mini fridge because that's all I have room for in my apt. But I wish I wasn't limited in what I can do.
     
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  19. fishtizzy

    fishtizzy Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Ohio

    We definitely have room - I'm not looking for a huge one, probably less that 7cu ft - there are a ton of them out there and cheaply priced. I've already leveraged with the wife as a dual purpose red wine cellar :slight_smile:
     
  20. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I'd just make sure you can store at least 2 carboys in there at the same time. A 4.5 cubic foot mini fridge will hold one, so a 7.5 might be cutting it close.
     
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