My Plan for Second Batch

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  1. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Thanks! I will... had to slow down a bit due to the other parts of life! Might be brewing this coming weekend if I can find time to get the ingredients and nothing else crops up on the family schedule.
     
  2. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    I'm hoping to brew tomorrow! I got all my ingredients yesterday and should be ready to go. I decided to stick with dry yeast again rather than the liquid yeast called for in the original recipe - I bought some Danstar Nottingham.

    I've got one question for now. I used Mr. Malty's yeast calculator and it says to use 4 grams of dry yeast for 2 gallons at 1.045. Does that seem right? The only reason I ask is that my 1 gallon kit I used for my first batch used more than that for 1 Gallon. I'm guessing the kit had me over pitch??
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That sounds about right.

    Did the first kit simply provide a pack of yeast and instructions to pitch the whole thing (or no actual instructions about how much of it to pitch)? That wouldn't be surprising, but it's better to decide what pitch rate you want, and shoot for that.
     
  4. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    The first kit had an 11g pocket of dry yeast and said to pitch half of it for the one gallon batch. So that is more than double the taste that Mr. Malty's tool is telling me. So that is why I'm just asking for a sanity check to make sure I used the tool correctly. So does the 4g rate seem right for 2 gallons at 1.045?
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes.
     
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  6. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    So I brewed today and it went well although I had to improvise a bit.

    As for the yeast pitch, despite having calculated the pitch rate it seemed that was intending that amount to be rehydrated and I had not planned on that so at the last minute I had to back away from that approach. I looked at the instructions for Brewers Best one Gallon kit for a similar beer and just double that for my 2 gallons They said to pitch 1 teaspoon of the dry yeast w/o rehydrating so I pitched 2 teaspoons. We'll see if that works... if not I I'll do the rehydrating next time. When I looked at the rehydrating today I saw some folks saying that you should not use distilled water nor should you use water from a water softener and those were my only available sources today... so I did what I could do to move forward and we'll see how it goes - live and learn!

    The other issue I ran into was totally unexpected. As I mentioned above I had upgraded to a 3G carboy so I could brew 2 G batches. The stopper I got for this carboy turned out to smell strongly like a goodyear rubber factory! I bought it and the carboy a few weeks ago and today when I was getting ready to brew I got the carboy out, which I had stored with the brand new stopper stuck in it. The carboy smelled strongly like rubber until after I washed it. But no matter what I did to the stopper I couldn't get it to not smell strongly like rubber. Given that it made the inside of my carboy smell I reasoned that it would make my beer smell and taste like rubber so I was not eager to give it try. So... I had to improvise something from the screw-on cap for my 1G carboy, a ziplock bag, some duct tape and a rubber band. I think it will work until I get back to Doc's to get a non-smelly stopper (the smelly one came from the LHBS near my house not from Doc's).

    But aside from those things, which I think will turn out ok, all seemed to go well. I had done some water-only testing on my boiling losses with my new kettle and I also got Beer Smith and tried to estimate all the volume conditions it asked for. And... I was pretty much right on my target of 2G into the fermentor!!! I was also pretty close to the projected OG that I got from entering the recipe into Beer Smith: estimated OG was 1.044 and my measured (with the refractometer) was 1.047.

    So now it sits in the fermentor and I have to patient... I am worried a bit about some much warmer weather next week so I may have to find an alternate spot for fermenting but we'll see.

    And after I got it into the fermentor I celebrated with a bottle from my first batch - and damn it tasted good! So... I'm definitely hooked on this hobby!!!
     
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  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I have not had a similar problem with the smell of my rubber stopper, but if your work-around solution falls apart you could try wrapping your smelly stopper with plastic wrap and then using it that way.

    I don't think you need to be concerned with the warm-up of the upcoming weather making it too warm to ferment this beer. Assuming it starts fermenting right away, as long as you get a solid first 3-4 days at a proper temp, the finishing-up should not matter for a few degrees (as long as you're not experiencing above 75 or so).
     
  8. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    I tried to do something like that at first but realized that I needed to somehow get the plastic wrapping up through the hole in the stopper and that didn't work despite a few attempts with saran wrap. I think this will hold together as long as I don't need to remove it... so as long as I get a non-smelly stopper by the time I need to do my fist FG check I should be ok.

    I also thought about doing a blow-off tube with the tube going into the carboy through a ziploc bag that would be attached with a rubber band around the top of the carboy and a second rubber band around the tube... and with the tube sticking a little bit into the neck of the carboy. (Not sure that description is clear!). But then I figured out that my 1G cap just sits firmly on top of the glass "lips" on each side of the carboy opening and all I really needed to was keep in place to some degree and that led to what I did.

    To be honest, as an engineer I enjoy these kinds of "uh oh... now what" kind of moments. One of my favorite movie scenes is in Apollo 13 when they have to make a hack so that the square filter can fit into round hole in the filtration system.

    Chances are my basement temp will hold steady... but it is something I'm going to keep an eye on and try to have some options ready if I need them!

    Thanks again to @Mothergoose03 and @VikeMan for all the help!
     
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  9. Conrad99

    Conrad99 Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2015 California

    What are you making this time? I brewed a Firestone Walker Pale 31 clone and a mead this week.

    Maybe someone else can answer this but I don't think you necessarily want to scale the yeast to the amount of beer you're brewing. I was reading around for my mead because I was upscaling the batch size from 1 gallon to 5, and most people said not to change the amount of yeast at all. Though maybe it is different because it was bread yeast rather than the typical beer yeasts.
     
  10. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    It is an Irish Red Ale. I'll leave it to others to address your question but from what I've seen you do need to scale the yeast. The right way to do it is using one of the pitch calculators but I think they assume you are rehydrating. So I just pointed on that and based it on looking at what the kids recommend - the amount used for a 1g kit was less than four the 5 gallon kit and it seemed to be about proportionately related so I went with that.

    My goal is to move forward on each new batch... The goal on this batch was to increase my batch size to 2G and not use a kit. Next time I'll try to deal with the yeast in a better way - maybe try liquid yeast. All in good time... One step at a time!
     
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  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, you really should use a different amount of yeast for a different amount (or gravity) or wort. Luckily its scales linearly, so its easy. And the yeast calculators make it even easier.

    Were you making that "Joe's Ancient Mead" recipe? Bred yeast is not awesome for any fermented beverages, but I've seen that recipe recommended for new mead brewers a lot. The idea is that it's very simple. So maybe they recommended not scaling the yeast because that would make a first batch of mead more complicated. Or maybe because they thought this sweet mead would be even sweeter with a lower pitch rate. (The bread yeast quits working and leaves otherwise fermentable sugars in the mead.)
     
  12. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    I checked this morning and I've got fermentation going. Lots of Krausen and I can see some swirling action going on below it. Not seeing any bubbles in my airlock so the CO2 may be escaping from around the edges of my kludged cap contraption. Oh well... nothing I can do about that now until I get a non-stinky stopper Monday after work. Chances are things will be fine but I'll just have to wait and see. If it turns out badly no biog deal - it would have had off flavors if I'd used the stinky stopper so I did the best I could!
     
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  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    You have a positive out-flow of CO2 right now so you don't have to worry about air getting inside. Relax and stick with what you've got going for your airlock. What you don't want to do with a faulty airlock attached is to move the fermentor to a colder location and cause contraction of the gas in the head space, because that could suck air in.
     
  14. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Yup, that would suck! Thanks for the advice. If I do get a new stopper tomorrow should I (i) try to switch it in tomorrow evening, (ii) switch in some time later, or (iii) just keep running with what I got?
     
  15. Conrad99

    Conrad99 Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2015 California

    Yep. I know next to nothing about yeast, and a few people in the thread recommended it over champagne yeast or the likes so I just went with it. Should I change anything to it now? I pitched the yeast 3 days ago now. I have more bread yeast as well as Safale US-05 on me right now.

    (Sorry to hijack your thread @mfowler314 )
     
  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you're certain that your 'contraption' won't fall off when you're not around to see it and re-attach it, I'd stick with it for now. When you remove it to take a gravity reading would be an opportune time to use your new stopper.
     
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  17. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think it depends on what you want this to be. I'm not a mead drinker to speak with any authority, so bear with me here. I've also read what @VikeMan said that bread yeast likely won't finish out and you'll end up with extra sweetness. If that's okay with you, then leave it alone. However, if you are going to bottle this, and if you want it to be carbonated, you're going to run into difficulties (although I'm not even sure if meads are carbonated). I think if you want it to finish up fermenting, you'd be best off to pitch the US-05 asap. But sit tight a little while and see if anyone else chimes in on this question with a different opinion.
     
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  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you want it to finish dry, I'd pitch a beer/wine/champagne yeast. I really don't know if the amount of bread yeast you pitched will result in a sweeter result than if you had scaled the amount up. If you want to add some more for peace of mind, it probably wouldn't hurt anything.
     
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  19. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    I'm sure I'm not the only one who does this... but as soon as I had this batch in the fermentor I was starting to plan my next batch! This is an addictive hobby!!!! So I'm thinking my third batch will be along the lines of Fuller's ESB. I know I'm not going to get something exactly like it but if I'mm in the ballpark I'll be happy. I've already found many recipes on line and I'm working on pulling aspects from a couple to put something together that will work. I'll give more details as I get closer... gotta wait for this batch to come out of the carboy. No... I'm not going to buy another carboy. At least not yet anyway!
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If memory serves, I agree with everything you said. Except, you will buy another carboy. Sooner than not yet.
     
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