My Plan for Starting Homebrewing

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  1. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    My wife gave me a 1-gallon kit for Christmas that she bought at our local home brew shop (they sell home brew stuff as a side to their other business). It is Brewer's Best 1-gallon kit. It didn't come with any ingredients so I went down to the shop the day after Christmas to pick out the 1-gallon ingredient kit of my choosing. When I asked the person who was working there about a 1-gallon kit they said they don't carry those. Then they tried to sell me a 5-gallon kit and said I just needed to divide the ingredients down to make a one gallon recipe. I balked at that because I thought it would not be wise to try that as it I don't have an easy way to measure 1/5 of the supplied ingredients!! So... I sulked home and ordered a 1-gallon ingredient kit online. And that is on its way.

    The problem though is that my wife also gave me a $100 gift card to this local shop with the intent of funding several 1-gallon batches. But since they don't sell the 1-gallon ingredient kits I have no simple way to use that gift card. So short of trying to take back the gift card I've decided on the following plan and welcome your comments.

    Assuming that I'll have success with my soon-to-arrive 1-gallon kit I'm thinking I'll want to increase up to 2.5 gallon batches (I don't really want to go to 5 gallon batches). I'm thinking that it will be easier to split the 5-gallon kits from the store in half (than to divide by 5) without any scales or other things. Is that a valid assumption?

    I think that the only thing I'll need to get to add to my kit equipment is (i) a bigger primary fermentation vessel (it seems from what I've read here that I don't need secondary fermentation at least at first) and (ii) a bigger boil pot. Have I missed any thing?

    Also... for the primary fermenting what should I get? Bucket? Carboy? What size?

    Thanks for your input!
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    First, your local homebrew shop sucks. They can easily build you a one gallon batch "kit," assuming they sell ingredients. And if they don't, then it's not really a homebrew shop.

    Sounds about right, without knowing what's already in your one gallon equipment kit.

    Buckets, glass carboys, and plastic carboys are all viable options. Size-wise, I'd recommend taking your biggest contemplated batch size and multiplying by 1.3. That will ensure you have enough headspace that you won't (often) lose yeast and beer to blow-off from vigorous fermentations.

    ETA: Oh, and read "How to Brew," either the free online version or the updated print version.
     
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  3. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    If you are looking for convenience, you need to either stick with 1 gallon batches or 5 gallon batches. Seems to me that in your situation, you should use the gift card to purchase a 5 gallon starter kit and use it to brew either 5 or 2.5 gallon batches. Not knowing what came in your 1 gallon starter set, I assume you could use most, if not all, of the stuff from a 5 gallon starter kit.

    As far as eyeballing it when splitting kits, that's not a good idea at all. I got a digital kitchen scale at Walmart for $10-$15 that works great for measuring grains and DME, and I got a $10 digital scale from Northern Brewer for hops. Both would be a wise investment if you intend to split kits.
     
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  4. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    Splitting a 5-gallon batch in half is probably better than trying to split one 5-ways. I'm sure there would be nothing wrong in theory with splitting five ways, but with such small quantities of ingredients to begin with, you might have consistency problems between each of the five batches, especially if you aren't going to have any scales to measure them out.

    I think the bigger fermenter and bigger pot should cover everything. If you're just starting out, definitely just use a bucket. It's simple, cheaper and safer to deal with. I don't know what kind of airlock the Brewer's Best system comes with, but you may need a new one for your bucket if the other doesn't fit.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think measuring ingredients without a scale is almost a guarantee of inconsistent results. But if you can look at two piles of grain and determine that they are the same, then hats off to you.
     
  6. MIBeerGeek

    MIBeerGeek Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2015 Michigan

    You could for the meantime, find recipes online or from friends and such and purchase grain from your Lhbs and make one gallon brews to your liking. Plus it gives you a chance to experiment a little as well and alter recipes to your liking.

    I would for sure step up to a 5 gallon kit at a minimum though. Makes things a little easier. I would go with a 6.5 gallon bucket or carboy for primary fermentation. A 5 gallon is fine normally for secondary if you choose to do so
     
  7. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Why pray tell are these the only two options for someone looking for convenience?
     
  8. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    How does any of this begin to make things easier for a beginner?
     
  9. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Thanks for the quick responses.

    I'm pretty sure the store sells ingredients but whoever was working that day did not seem to really know much... to come to the answer I was given ("just buy the 5 gallon and divide by 5") required them to go out back for about 10 - 15 minutes to (I'm guessing) call someone who could give an answer. The person helping me was primarily tending the bar in the place so left those customers hanging while helping me. Maybe I need to find out if there is a specific time that is best to go in to talk with someone who tends the homebrew stuff. So maybe they can help me assemble some 1-gallon ingredients after I brew the just-follow-the-included-instructions 1-gallon stuff on its way - that might be better for the short term while I learn. I have the "How to Brew" book and have already read all the chapters on extract brewing.

    Here is what I have
    • 2G bucket for bottling or fermenting (has a lid with a grommet)
    • 1G glass carboy with cap
    • Econo-Lock airlock
    • 5' siphon hose with shutoff clamp
    • capper
    • mini auto-siphon
    • 10" test jar
    • Bottle filler
    • Bottle brush
    • thermometer
    • Hydrometer
    If I were to go up to 2.5 gallons I think I'll also need a bigger bottling bucket (the one with the 1-gallon kit is only 2 gallons). And it sounds like I'd need some way to more accurately measure even for a half-half split. So maybe this is not a viable path for now... I'll have to go back to the store after I've brewed my first 1-gallon batch and see what they can do as far as putting together some ingredients for me.
     
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  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Are there other local homebrew stores near you? This one sounds like a Charlie Foxtrot so far. I'd consider moving on after the gift card is spent. If this store sells scales, maybe use the card to accelerate the move. If you get serious about brewing, you're going to need at least one. I use a 5 lb postal scale for grains and a drug dealer pocket scale for hops and minerals.
     
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  11. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    What kind of beer do you like? We can come up with a good first recipe for you and then you just need to get the ingredients. It sounds like you should not rely on advice from this shop.
     
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  12. MIBeerGeek

    MIBeerGeek Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2015 Michigan

    Sorry Herb! Was just answering his last question about what size buckets to use if he went to 2.5 gallon batches. Furthermore was only offering an option to go to a 5gal kit seeing a premeasured kit was better than eyeballing a kit in half or better yet 5ths
     
  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    There is nothing wrong with brewing 1-gallon batches, and it provides you a vehicle to brew a few batches at minimal ingredient expense to make sure that you're going to like this hobby. It isn't too difficult to create a 1-gallon recipe, and like @wspscott says, we can come up with something here that can get you started. It allows you a chance to experience the brewing process and develop your techniques too.

    I looked online at what I think is your equipment kit but the specs were not clear, so just to clarify, does your 1-gallon jug measure out to 1-gallon, or is it a little bigger so that 1-gallon of liquid can go in there and still have head room? Also, does your bucket have a spigot? If you have not used this equipment yet, are you comfortable returning it and getting a larger kit? Or use your credit for the return and the gift card to get equipment that will suit your needs better? The How to Brew book has a section about equipment, and it can help you decide what your brewing goals might be. Whether your intent is to bottle or keg your beers (have you decided this?) will also help you decide a few little nuances about what equipment you need.
     
  14. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Not the only 2, but before being clarified, it sounded like the OPs LHBS may not even carry ingredients, so to step up from 1 gallon premade kits, 5 gallon premade kits are the next most common premade kit size and so either 2.5 or 5 gallon batches are most convenient. Wasn't it obvious :wink:
     
  15. foundersasap

    foundersasap Maven (1,405) Feb 2, 2015 Michigan
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    I just brewed my first 1 gallon IPA kit and obviously a rookie at this but after reading this post, I've got a question. It looks like the "kits" for a one gallon batch are roughly in the $15 range. This does not seem that attractive price wise given the yield of roughly 12 beers. Would a good home brew store mix a recipe from scratch, that would be less expensive?
     
  16. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York


    No spigot on the 2G bucket and it does come with a lid with a grommet so it could be used for primary. The 1G carboy *seems* to hold more than 1G but I can't say for sure... the instructions they provide say to use it for the primary and say to not fill above where it says "one gallon" so that sounds like it has some headroom.

    I've opened the box but I suppose I could try to argue to return it towards the 5G kit but to be honest I don't really want to brew 5G at a time (just seems too much at first). So I think I'll be sticking with the 1G route and find a way to get my ingredients.

    I also hate to draw too much conclusion from my one experience at the shop because it WAS the day after Christmas and perhaps they were short handed... I'll give them another chance after I brew this first 1G batch kit and will call ahead to see if there is a best time to stop in.
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Possibly, if they sell grains in less than one pound increments.
     
  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Okay, it sounds like your decision is made to stick with 1-gallon batches for now. You have everything to produce beer except a boil pot, bottles/caps and recipe ingredients. A 1.5 to 2-gallon pot should be large enough to brew a batch this size, and that pot is small enough that you can brew your beer in your kitchen. And you can save your beer bottles that you purchase from the store to reuse for your beer so that you only need to buy some caps.

    I have never used a 1-gallon glass fermentor, so I don't know if it is a standard thin-wall jug or if it is a little beefier to handle fermentation pressure if the air lock happens to get plugged, as well as being able to take some knocking around from handling. I'll suggest that you choose a beer style recipe that is not a high ABV style to help avoid the possibility of a clogged air lock, as well as being an easier beer to brew.

    One other thing to think about is whether you have a place with a fairly constant ambient temp of 65 degrees where you can ferment your beer? Besides getting everything right on brew day, being able to ferment at a proper temp is the next most important thing for you to be able to do.

    Ask as many questions as you'd like to get yourself ready. Besides reading How to Brew, there are threads in this forum that discuss tips for newbies to make that first brew session easier, so read back 6, 8, 10 pages to find appropriate thread topics and pick up this valuable information. You might also be able to find specific threads if you do a search on the key word 'tips' but that word gets used a lot around here.
     
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  19. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    We've got three different 2G pots in our kitchen so I'm good there. I've got some bottles set aside waiting to be de-labeled, cleaned and sanitized when the time comes. Caps I *can* get at my local store, as I saw them when I was there.


    The 1G glass fermentor looks pretty hefty but I can't tell for sure as I have no basis for judgement. The ingredient kit I ordered is a porter from Northern Brewers. They don't list the ABV but I've seen it listed on re-seller's websites as 5.78% so I'm probably OK on that front. The link to the brewing instructions NB provides is http://www.northernbrewer.com/documentation/beerkits/WH_Honey_Porter_ONEGALLON.pdf. The Northern Brewers 1G kit does not include a hydrometer so their instructions don't include OG and FG specs but my kit has one so I'll be measuring those things.


    Yup... I've been scouting out possible spots using a wireless temperature sensor - I can put the sensor in a location and read the temperature on a display on a bookshelf in my living room! Right now I've got the sensor in a spot in my basement that has been reading pretty much 66 degrees F over the past week. It sometimes dips down to 64.5 when we have a fire in the fireplace which causes the furnace to not run for a few hours but it does not seem to go below that.


    Yes... I've been mining all the info here! You folks are an amazing resource! THANKS!!!
     
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  20. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    When I first started I used a mr. Beer fermenter, that's perfect for 2 gallon batches. I was able to fit the little brown keg in my portable igloo cooler so I was able to control the temp. I would just swap ice packs out from time to time.

    Good luck...cheers.
     
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