My Plan for Starting Homebrewing

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  1. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Started with a 5 gal kit (northern brewer) that way i have a constant beer supply while i'm making a second batch. Takes a good month for good finished brew so 5 gal goes quick. Also using plastic buckets and carboys with no problems. No need for expensive equipment yet. Also watch as many you tube videos as you can.
     
  2. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    I've watched a few of those. In particular, Northern Brewers (who makes the 1G ingredient kit I ordered) has a nice one on 1G brewing. They start off by saying "If you can make mac and cheese without help you can brew beer!" and I had to laugh because there is a story my wife likes to tell about me making M&C the first time and I forgot to drain the water before adding the cheese packet! I'd like to think I've progressed from there and this will be easy! :slight_smile:
     
  3. ruttroshaggy

    ruttroshaggy Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2012 Washington

    I decided to start small, went to the local home-brew shop and was looked at like I had a dick on my forehead when I said I wanted to start at one gallon. He had the condescending "You don't know what you're doing" smirk the whole time he was trying to figure out what to sell me. Another guy came to help and knew exactly what to get for me. Is one gallon that uncommon?
     
  4. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Not really.
    What's not uncommon is ass-hattery @LHBS.
     
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  5. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    My 1G ingredient kit has arrived and I've got everything all set for brewing on Sunday!

    Update on the local store... I went in there today to get bottle caps (I know I won't need those on brew day but I wanted to make sure I had everything I need) and to assess what they had overall for my future needs. As I've said, it is really a small homebrew section in a little bar area where they serve craft beers. Two bartenders on duty and only a few drinking customers. First I bought a beer to drink and sat the bar so I could get acquainted with the guys behind the bar before I started asking about the homebrew stuff. It turns out that neither guy behind the bar really knows much about home brewing! The guy who was their homebrew expert quit a few months ago to start his own brewery and it seems that they don't really have anyone who can step in. They did give me his contact info if I wanted to ask him any questions - but that doesn't really help me much when I'm at the store and have a question!

    They don't have much in the way of equipment. Based on discussion above I was looking to use my gift card to get a nice scale, a 5G kettle, and 3G carboy for use later when I increase my batch size. They had no scales, the only kettles they had were 10.5G, and they did have the 3G carboy. I was thinking of also maybe splurging (since I have this store credit on my gift card) and getting a refractometer so that my small batch size wouldn't get hit by a hydrometer reading - but they don't seem to carry those. So... on the equipment side they have only a small selection of the most rudimentary things (they had thermometers and hydrometers and syphons and such). They do have what appears (to my novice eye) a fair amount of ingredient stuff - I saw some Muntons brand LME and some DME made by LD Carlson. They also had 10lb bags of grain... but I did not look carefully at that since right now I'm focusing on extract brewing. They also had small bags that looked like they were probably grains for steeping. There were two coolers - one for hops (I think - didn't look to closely) and one for yeast. As I was there a guy came in and bought a 10lb bag of grain and used their grinder thingy. I talked with him and he is the brewer at another local upstart brewery. He assured me that they have the ingredients I would need to put together a recipe as long as I know what I need.

    So it looks like I'll have to buy any but the most basic equipment elsewhere but I should be able to get ingredients there as long as I know what I need (and someone above said you guys can help me with that!). There is another homebrew shop that I could go to - it is not near my house but is near where I work (I commute a fair distance). It is called Docs and I'd appreciate of one or more of you could take a look at this link (http://www.docsbrew.com/) and give your opinion. They seem to have been in business for quite a long time and I'm guessing will give better customer service... they also appear to have a decent supply of equipment and ingredients.

    In the mean time.... Sunday is Brew Day so wish me luck!!!
     
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  6. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Yea, go to Docs, it seems like an actual LHBS. But as a general rule, the advice on this forum will usually be better than what any LHBS worker will tell you.
     
  7. MIBeerGeek

    MIBeerGeek Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2015 Michigan

    Looks like Docs would be a good place to go for you to find what you need. They have grain, DME, LME, equipment, etc. It would be worth while to at least head in there and check things out. See how you feel about the store, especially compared to the other one. Are they helpful, knowledgeable, so on so forth.

    I agree with Ssam but take advice from good sources. The forums are great and you can learn a lot, but you can learn something from just about anyone. Everyone has opinions so just keep reading and brewing!!

    Good luck with brewday sunday!! Cheers
     
  8. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Can you just use your gift card to drink at the bar? That might be a better solution and just buy everything online and ask your questions here.
     
  9. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Yes! I put the two beers I had on the card! They also have a small bottle shop so I can spend it that way too. So I may end up doing a little fancy financial engineering and use the card for my usual bottle buys and then that frees up what I'd be spending on that for use on brewing stuff.
     
  10. phredk

    phredk Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2011 Missouri

    Good luck with your Sunday brew day. It looks like you should make Docs your go to brew store. I took a brief look at the link and they seem to be a typical home brew shop. Based on you description of the other shop, it sounds more like a bar that happens to sell brewing supplies. It might be worth your time to stop by Docs on the way home tomorrow and tell them your situation and they should be able to give you some advice and encouragement for your first brew. I would go over your plan for brewing and discuss what equipment you have in case you are missing something you will need.

    I used a check list of the steps in the brewing process with I started brewing. This helps you to not forget to do something. I wouldn't worry about buying more equipment until you get your first brew done and decide if this hobby is for you. This will keep you from spending a lot of money if you decide you don't want to brew your own or buying the wrong equipment. You will also have a better idea of what equipment you want for your brewery after you have brewed once or twice.
     
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  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If your close-by store has a reasonable selection of reliably fresh ingredients and if you discover that their prices are better than Docs, then it's a no-brainer to use them for buying your ingredients. It's always nice to have a store close-by so that when you discover that you forgot something the morning of brew day, you have a choice for a quick trip. Who knows, buying stuff from them may help keep them in business for your emergency purchases. However, if their prices aren't competitive, then use your gift card for beer.
     
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  12. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Brew day postponed until next weekend.... One big motivator for me doing this is that my youngest daughter will be going off to college next year to study bio-chemistry and I thought she would find home brewing a fun "lab" experience to learn a bit about some bio-chemistry type stuff. But she said she has too much homework this weekend and asked if we could postpone to next weekend, which will be a 3-day weekend for her. C'Mon... where are her priorities??!!! :grinning:
     
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  13. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    OK... tomorrow is a go for brew day!! The 1 week delay allowed me to get a refractometer so I won't waste as much from my 1G batch. (I've read all the details in other threads on using the refractometer - calibrated it with distilled water and know how to use Sean Terril's spread sheet to convert my Brix readings.)

    This afternoon I'm kind of going through a dry run or at least a semi-wet run to make sure I've got everything I need and know what to do. And here is my first question:

    The instructions for the ingredient kit I got is here and it does not really say when to start steeping the grains - it just says in step 1 to heat the water and then in step 2 to steep the grains for approximately 10 minutes. Not very precise if they don;t tell me when to start!!!

    Now I've seen other places say to start when the water gets to 150 degrees so I did a test by putting the called-for 1.25G of water in my pot and turned on the heat. I started with the water at about room temp (72 degrees or so) and after 7 minutes I was only up to about 130 degrees and didn't hit 150 until about the 9 minute mark. So... if I just put the bag in right way (which is kind of what they seem to allude to in the instructions) and steep for 10 minutes I'll only get about 1 minute of steeping at 150 or above.

    Could someone please advise me on this? Thanks in advance!!!
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I would steep for longer than 10 minutes...more like a half hour. And I would make sure most of that is at 150F+. The reason for both is better extraction.
     
  15. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    That is what I've been seeing so the short duration seemed odd and to just start it right away seemed odd. Note that their 1G equipment kit does not come with a thermometer (but I have one) so they may be trying to set it up so that you don't have to know the temp to get it done... So could they have put MORE grains than usual and then only need to steep for 10 minutes? I just weighed them on my wife's crappy little dietetic scale and I've got about 8 oz of grains.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think lousy instructions are more likely than too much grain. But if you post the ingredients list, you'll get some opinions about whether it's about right.
     
  17. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Here is what they state as the ingredients. Quite hazy on the specialty grains, though. So all I know is that there is about 8 oz of something in that bag but I don't know what!


    --Steeping grains and mesh bag
    Steep approx. 10 minutes - Brew Day, step 2
    --1 lb. Briess Gold dry malt extract
    Boil for 45 minutes - Brew Day, step 4
    --3.5 grams Chinook hops
    Boil for 45 minutes - Brew Day, step 4
    --3.5 grams German Hallertau hops
    Add at end of boil - Brew Day, step 4
    --2 oz Ames Farm Single Source Honey
    Add at end of boil - Brew Day, step 4
    --Danstar Nottingham brewer’s yeast
    Add HALF packet to cooled wort -
     
  18. mrjimcat

    mrjimcat Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2002 New York

    This has probably been said but for one gal brews I picked up a couple of two gal plastic pails for primary ferment. You could probably make a gallon and a half that way. I use these to make meads. Good luck!
     
  19. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Instructions often do not have to be followed so closely. Starting with 1.25 gallons is okay, but you can steep your grains in less if you want to get to that 150 degree level more quickly. The trick is to try to hold that temp for about 20 minutes (I've never seen instructions that say 10 minutes), and wavering between 150-160 is okay. DON'T get up to 170 is very important though. After the steeping period you can add hot water from your tap or that you were boiling in another pot to get your wort up to a boil more quickly to begin your brewing process.

    If you plan to boil 1.25 gallons, is your boil kettle around 2 gallons capacity?
     
  20. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Yes... I've got a pot that holds 3G so I'm good there.

    I already had read about not exceeding 170 degree when steeping but thanks for making sure I'm not screwing up! I think I'll go with the 20 minute steep while at 150 or so. I don't have a problem waiting for it to get to full boil... in my "dry run" today it only took about 20 - 25 minutes to get there so I can be patient!
     
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