My silly idea...

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  1. lyagooshka

    lyagooshka Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Pennsylvania

    Greetings all,

    I have been home brewing for a few years now.
    I absolutely love it (I have dabbled in wines too, but keep coming back to the suds).
    More than the beer itself, I love the process.
    I have recently thought of doing the "Nano-Brewery" thing.
    I am not looking for profit, or to "quit my day job", just to have a hobby.

    So here's what I want to do:
    I'd like to start a Nano-Brewery, without actually starting a brewery.
    In other words, I still plan to keep to my 200 gal. a year and I would not be selling any, but I want to run it like a brewery or brew-pub.
    Probably in my basement.
    I want to get a name, a label, a flagship or two, and some kegerators.
    Maybe build a bar, maybe not.

    Right now, I am plastic bucket / glass carboy.
    I have been looking to get a 10 gal. setup.
    I am hoping to start with about $2K.
    I know that's going to be tight, but I plan to shop around.

    So......

    I am looking for suggestions OF ALL KINDS!

    And I mean ALL kinds, from the type of equipment to start with and where to find it, to what my 'flagship(s)' should be, to "don't do it you idiot, you're fine where you are now, use that $ to go try new beers or visit breweries, besides you'll never start a real brewery anyway, who are you kidding?".
    Nothing's off limits and no offence will be taken.

    As I said, I've been at it for a few years, but it was never "serious".
    I want to give this a go and see where it takes me.

    Thanks in advance...

    Cheers!

    Alex
    :confused:
     
  2. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I don't see that as a problem. A friend of mine spent about $1,000 for his 1/2 bbl system, and I think you can get a SABCO for about $2,000. Check around for used equipment (I saw some nano stuff on probrewer.com a while ago). You'll still need a draft system, and that'll be a big cost depending on how many beers you want to pour, but again, keep looking for used stuff. If you really want to do it, just like starting any business, the first thing to do is your homework - so get at it.
     
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  3. carteravebrew

    carteravebrew Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2010 Colorado

    So...you want like a small taproom/bar in your basement where you make all the beer that is enjoyed by people who visit? Sounds fun. Visit the Home Bar forum for ideas, inspiration, and troubleshooting. $2k is definitely doable as far as stepping up from 5 gallon to 10 gallon, but if you're going for full on bar, you probably need to up your budget.
     
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  4. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Let me get this straight your going to start a nano and not charge any money? I am sure you will get lots of people who like your idea! Have fun!
     
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  5. lyagooshka

    lyagooshka Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Pennsylvania

    Yeah, I know. :stuck_out_tongue: But the reason I won't charge is that it won't actually "be" a brewery. Not getting a license, just going through the motions to see how it feels. So selling would be a big "No No"!
     
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  6. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    Check your local laws, but you could probably set up some sort of free-will donation bucket in your future taproom to help re-coup some costs. There was a bar in my old hometown that did something like this. They couldn't acquire a liquor license, so all drinks were free, but they handed out free-will donation envelops. The owner ran it into the ground for other reasons, but I believe that they were profitable while using that model.
     
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  7. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    So essentially it's just a glorified home brewery? Is anyone allowed in, or just friends/family? I've got one of those at my place – operating on a 1/5 barrel system :slight_smile:
     
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  8. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I think you have to clear up your mind in regards what you really are looking for.
    Look your statements:


    ´I am not looking for profit, or to "quit my day job", just to have a hobby.´

    ´Maybe build a bar, maybe not.´

    ´As I said, I've been at it for a few years, but it was never "serious"´

    I would suggest you to keep your money safe until you are more convinced of what are you going to do. Maybe you can share your ideas with friends and family to get their thoughts regarding your interests
     
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  9. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Yes, I've seen this before at tailgating events. Genius idea, really. They set up a bar with 'Free' shots of liquor, but the group always ends up making bank off tips by the end of the day, and they don't have to have a license for it since they technically aren't charging money. Not a bad idea to adopt for your nano brewery
     
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  10. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    The last two money making schemes are illegal in all 50 states.
     
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  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    You're not looking to open a Nano Brewery, you just want to up your game, make more homebrew with flashier equipment, and then serve it in a more legit like home bar. Big difference. I have the home bar and am working towards the more professional like equipment, but am also moving towards an actual brewery as well.

    I will echo @Brew_Betty anything that smells of cash for beer is illegal. There is a venue in Portland that fabricates brewing equipment and they make batches of beer on their system and serve it in a tap room for free to those that visit to purchase brewing systems. They got in a lot of trouble with the TTB and OLCC when CBC came to town last year.
     
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  12. lyagooshka

    lyagooshka Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Pennsylvania

    True, I cannot articulate like many.
    What I am meaning to say is that I want to get some proper equipment, and treat it like I was a brewery.
    So instead of my IPAs coming out different each time, I want to not be able to tell one batch from another.
    I want a "set in stone" recipe.
    I want to manage it like I was an actual brewery.

    I'm guessing this will help if I actually want to 'really' start a Nano.
    Or not, but I hope to have fun in the process.

    Thanks for the reply.
    Makes me actually think of what I mean and make sure that I can mean what I think.
    :wink:
     
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  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    This seems like overkill to give away 200 gallons of beer. Depending on how many friends that you have and how much they drink, what will you do when you run out of beer in July? and remember you're the one who also will have to clean up the bathroom, take out the trash from those to-go and delivered food containers, etc. Could be a lot of headaches involved too.

    You might also want to look into the wording of the homebrewing law to see if "personal consumption" is the basis for the law, and exactly what does that phrase mean?
     
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  14. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Feel free to flame me if this is wrong, but upscale equipment isn't going to help you achieve this. I think the ability to do this has more to do with process vs. equipment.
     
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  15. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Verbal contracts to join your homebrew club sound mandatory. :slight_smile:
     
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  16. lyagooshka

    lyagooshka Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Pennsylvania

    Absolutely true. But I don't think I can get much farther with the "bucket". I know, it's like telling the wife "of course I need that $5K tractor to mow our 100 sq.ft. of lawn. I mean, you can't expect me to be able to do it with a push mower..." But I think it would give me an idea of what I am able to do. If I can't do it with upgraded equipment, then the issue lies with me. So I can forget the dreams of retiring and opening a Nano and just stick to making my own stuff. And, I get some snazzy cool stuff out of it. Not really a loss far as I'm concerned. So, is it an excuse to get some upgraded stuff? Sure. Is there some seriousness to wanting to go the Nano route? Absolutely. But in the first few pages, Dan Woodske pretty much convinced me I can't do it [now]. So it's a dream and a WIP (and an excuse to get some shiny stuff in the basement).
     
  17. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Maven (1,470) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa
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    So if you're wanting to spend some cash and become a serious homebrewer, I'd say go for it. Give your friends and coworkers a place to drink beer and watch the big game. Hone your craft, so to speak.

    If you're trying to tiptoe around the law and be a wink-wink "home" brewer with a nanobrewery where you're paid in bitcoins or hamburger or whatever . . . I wouldn't do it.
     
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  18. lyagooshka

    lyagooshka Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Pennsylvania

    Ok, good point here. I want to make sure I clarify. I am NOT looking to "wink-wink" or anything of the sort. I know some clubs in the area that do similar stuff, and that's cool. Nothing against them, but I am serious about [MAYBE] "going pro", so I can't have anything like that on my record. Seems getting a license would be a bit tough with that.

    When I say "treat it like a brewery", I only mean not as a hobby. "Not putting off for tomorrow" type of stuff. And also, making the schedule of what I'll brew and when, having my "flagship(s)", having a set recipe that I can reproduce 100% ALL THE TIME, keep inventory, etc. Pretty much all the front and back end stuff as if I was a brewery, but there would be NO selling, NO "wink-wink", nothing that even seems suspect.

    Reason I want to try is that I do hope to get out of nursing one day. Maybe I'll make it to my 20 in the reserves, and, hell, maybe I'll even live that long. So while I'm still a bit away, I want to see if I have it in me. If so, I'll have some thinking to do. Do I save every penny and go for it when the time is right? If not, cool as well. Gives me some guidance about my elder years (should I reach them). And in the process, I got some new and shiny stuff out of the deal.

    So that's where I was going with this whole thing. The "idea" was to do this as if it were my job, but to stay well within all laws and regs. What happens to the beer? Well, I give it to friends, co-workers, I drink LOTS myself, give it away at my unit, trade other home brewers, etc.

    Hope that clarified it.

    Thanks again for all the posts.

    ALL are appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Alex
     
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  19. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Maven (1,470) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa
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    Sounds like you want to take it seriously. If you're at a point in your life where you can do this, I say do it! :slight_smile:
     
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  20. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I say go for it. Upgrade the basement or garage as a place to hang out with a variety of taps, a proper way to store bottles at cellar temps, and general vibe. Key in controls on the brew side. pH meter, RO water that you adjust, mash tun that you can heat without scorching to control that temp, fermentation chamber or conicals with ferm control, CO2 purging, oxygenation system, proper yeast propagation equipment with a mini-lab, maybe a small barrel or two to age stuff in. TONS AND TONS OF NOTES, and you'll also be bugging your friends by subjecting them to triangle tests. Its the dream that may lead to another dream. Not sure if $2k will cover it.
     
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