National Hombrew Comp-Primary vs Secondary

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  1. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    I was looking through the gold metal winning recipes from this years National Hombrew Competition and thought this was interesting. All of the lagers except for one used a secondary which is not suprising. Out of the Ales 10 used only primary and 6 used a secondary. One of the 6 that used a secondary was a sour which required extended aging. So 2 to 1 of the gold winning ales only used a primary. Not trying to start the same old debate again just thought it was interesting.
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I took note of: “All of the lagers except for one used a secondary which is not suprising.”

    So, a lager won a Gold Medal at the NHC and that beer did not utilize a secondary. That seems to ‘validate’ the new opinion of John Palmer of: “Even lagers do not require racking to a second fermenter before lagering.”

    I must confess that I am surprised that the homebrewer who won that Gold while lagering in a primary had the chutzpah to actually do that; the utilization of a secondary for lagering is ingrained as a necessary practice (conventional wisdom).

    Cheers!
     
  3. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Good information, time to rethink some brewing procedure aspects.

    Cheers!
     
  4. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    That is not necessarily true. Traditionally lambics are aged on lees, while Flanders reds are not.
     
  5. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Was it the dark lager that did not specify a secondary?
     
  7. Beerontwowheels

    Beerontwowheels Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2009 Maryland

    I searched on the AHA website but did not see the winning recipes. Link please?
     
  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    If you are kegging your lagers, you are basically doing a secondary in the keg. I think the following approach is viable for those who lack kegging systems.

    Before I got my kegging set-up all my lagers went straight from primary to the bottle. I basically did the lager fermentation approach recommended by Jamil Zainsheff (it has a German name...): start at low temp, raise temp gradually, begin diacetyl rest before primary is complete. Package beer when it is at terminal gravity with no taste of fermentation off-flavors like diacetyl or acetaldehyde. Prime (I used table sugar) and carbonate at warm temperature fo three weeks. Then gradually bring temp down and lager in the bottle for several weeks. I don't have lots of lagers under my belt, but I followed this procedure for at least five different batches. All were very drinkable beers. The only one that stands out as unlagerlike was a high gravity American pils that used S-23 (notorious for fruity off-flavors).
     
  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Those area printed in Zymurgy, and can be viewed online if you are an AHA member.
     
  11. Beerontwowheels

    Beerontwowheels Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2009 Maryland

    I am a member and did search the site. Didn't know the new mag was out already. Got it.
     
  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Looking closely, there were lagers in cat 1-5 as should be. The Baltic Porter was a lager, fermented at 56F, then lagered at 35F temp. The Fruit Beer in Cat 22 was a lager. The Smoked Helles in Cat 22 was a Lager.

    So I count 8 lagers. I didn't count the Graetzer that was a top fermented lagered beer. Said that for our UK friends. ;-)
     
  13. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    It is the dark lager. This is what it says.

    Ferment in primary for 10 days at 47-48. Diacetyl rest for 3 days at 57-59. Gradually lower to 48 and hold for 8 days. Gradually lower to 33 and hold for another 16 days.
     
  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The guy who won that category, Jeff Lewis, won the Pilsner Urquell competition in Chicago. Twice! I think he knows how to make a lager.

    I would want to have a system that removed most of the break from the wort before the heat is pitched. A little cold break is good for the yeast. A lot of cold break and hot break would not be good for the beer with extended aging. Maybe someone knows him and can ask what he does.
     
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