NE Craze Tips

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by TheBeerery, Nov 28, 2017.

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  1. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    I want to share with you all some secrets on how to make the best NE variant there is using old world tactics.

    So on Saturday I brewed a NE pale ale

    Went with

    65% weyermann pale ale malt
    15% weyermann wheat malt
    15% instant Quaker Oats
    5% carared.

    Water was like...
    100ca, 125 caso4, 150cl, 25na

    I did a hop extract charge at 60 of like 15ibu

    Then at 5 minutes remaining I did:
    1oz Amarillo
    1oz galaxy
    1oz mosaic
    1oz citra

    Then I did a 30 minute whirlpool at 180f with:
    1oz galaxy
    1oz mosaic
    1oz citra

    Sunday I hopped at high Krausen with:
    1oz galaxy
    1oz mosaic
    1oz citra

    Then on monday
    2oz galaxy
    1oz mosaic
    1oz citra

    On the way to spund this morning I hopped with
    10ml citra extract= to about 2oz
    10ml of my special blend extract which is very tropical. = to about 4oz

    Og 1.055
    FG 1.010

    Fermentation temp 66f.

    So to reiterate this. The beer was brewed Saturday. Today, Tuesday almost 3 days to the dot the beer is at FG and carbed. How did I do that!??? I used very valid old(and new) world techniques. Namely spunding.

    Tools needed for this beer:
    A spunding valve.

    Here is the process... A couple days back I posted a video of me using fermentation co2 to purge my keg, this comes in handy here.
    With 4 gravity points remaining the beer was close transferred to this purge keg, the active yeast in the beer consumed any and all oxygen from the transfer and/or inadequate purging. Due to the rousing of the yeast, the yeast got invigorated and chomped the remaining sugar very fast. Since this was in a sealed keg the beer is now at final gravity and fully carbed. In 72hrs from yeast pitch the beer is at FG and fully carbed. Why does this matter? Well for one it’s the ONLY way we as homebrewers can transfer and carb a beer with nearly ZERO oxygen pick up. This means you have a NE style beer that will be as fresh as it is today 3 days later for out to 9+ months ( but of course it will be gone by then!). What often is also often overlooked is that yeast under pressure produce glycerin, which is not only a VERY foam positive compound it also adds a nice velvety mouthfeel.

    So since this is a super long post I will get to some pictures.
    Wort making:
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    The empty fermenter
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    Finally the money shot of the finished beer today.
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    Take the best NE pale ale\ipa you have ever had and add fresh lingering malt, and yummy glycerin richness from the spund and you have this beer.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Cool. I'm curious...when you use your method of finishing fermentation in the (spunded) keg, how much yeast do you generally end up with in the bottom of the keg?
     
  3. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Well with lagers usually less due to the nature of them, but with ales it’s more than ferment to final gravity and a crash cool, I won’t deny that. I use cask widges so it’s a moot point (cask widges float so they pull off the top of the keg). If you get that beer cool as soon as it’s done fermenting, I have yet to have a problem with autolysis or clarity.
     
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  4. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I'm impressed, very cool. Thanks for the post
     
  5. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    That's some great homebrew **** :grin:...what do you set your spunding valve at? Looks like a variation of krausening

    I guess not with a 3 day(?) turn around
     
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  6. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    What did u set the spunding valve to?
     
  7. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Interesting. But given my experience, even this style benefits from conditioning. My NE-DIPA is at about 6 weeks since tapping and tastes better now than when it was only two weeks old grain-to-glass. This has been a trend for all others I've done previously, so I don't exactly see the need (for me at least) to get it grain to glass in three days lol

    But cool none-the-less!
     
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  8. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    The goal is certainly not to get from grain to glass in the shortest possible time. It’s literally just the natural progression. It will still go into cold conditioning for a week or so. Then it will get canned. It just goes to show you done have to “accelerate” and cut corners, when there are better ways to do it.

    My fermentation cellar is a steady 65f so for this beer the spunding valve was set at 25psi.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I take it you fill the keg with the cask widge already attached to the dip tube you're filling through?
     
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  10. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Yessir.
     
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  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Not to speak for @TheBeerery, but I would assume he sets the spunding valve to whatever pressure is needed to reach the desired volumes of CO2 at the given temperature (in this case 65F). It's just like set-and-forget force carbonating, but instead of setting the regulator to a specific pressure for the given temperature, you set the spunding valve to release pressure in excess of that same PSI value. You can use any of the carbonation charts/calculators out there.

    One important difference though... with set-and-forget force carbonating, people generally do it at low temps. You can do set-and-forget at higher temps (and corresponding higher pressures), but people usually don't. In the case of spunding to carbonate while finishing fermentation, you'd obviously do it at higher temps (and thus higher PSI, per the charts).
     
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  12. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Yup @VikeMan is completely correct. Desired carbonation level is temp+psi. The thing with spunding is that the billions of yeast peppered throughout the wort act as micro carbonation stones, almost instantly (well in the matter of hours) carbonating the beer beautifully and perfect. They also do it in an oxygen free environment (see other thread for co2 impurities)
     
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  13. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    I found hoppy beers spunded in kegs at the end of fermentation to be severely defficient in the aroma department.
     
  14. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Hrmm..Science would have to disagree here.

    You are not only not oxidizing those precious hop polyphenols with traces of oxygen from transfer and carbonation with bottle co2. You have closed off the vessel from letting out all aromas. The declining hop aromas everyone seems to get at various timeframes is from that polyphenol oxidation.
     
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  15. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Once keg is carbed at 65 and I cool to serving temps I would just change to spunding valve to the proper pressure again for that temp?

    Do I need to transfer to a serving keg or should I just cut the dip tube?
     
  16. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Well when the keg is done fermenting, you are done with the spunding valve. The beer will cool and absorb all the co2 to be the proper carbonation at whatever level you carb at. Then you would just hook the keg up at your serving pressure.

    You don’t have to cut the dip tube. When the beer is done fermenting and before you cool. Shake twist the keg a little and push out the yeast at the bottom a large part of this is to not have to transfer kegs as it basically then defeats the purpose and negates all the o2 mitigation you have done.
     
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  17. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Cool I know what I'm asking for as a Christmas present haha
     
  18. brunascle

    brunascle Crusader (438) Nov 4, 2010 Massachusetts

    Maybe I misunderstand how a spunding valve works, but doesn't it relieve pressure above the set PSI by exhausting gas? So wouldn't the aroma escape with the gas?
     
  19. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota


    That’s correct, I see what you are getting at. If you transfer at 3-4 gravity pionts remaining there will be little to no off gas. If you are spunding way to early I guess you could possibly blow off those aromas. But then it would be just like a normal ferment where they are getting blown off as well, which kind of makes it a moot point.
     
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  20. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Ya no less than biotransformation hop aromas being blown off through the blowoff. And when ur purging ur filled keg ur blowing off aromas as well.
     
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