NE IPA recipe thoughts?

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  1. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    tomorrow I am brewing a NE IPA :

    6 gallon batch
    7.92 abc
    4.6 srm

    10 lbs 2 row pale ale
    4 lbs Maris otter
    4 lbs flaked oats
    1 lb flaked wheat
    1 lb rice hulls

    Hops

    .50 galaxy first wort
    2 oz flameout galaxy
    2oz mosaic 2oz citra and 1 oz galaxy 180 degree whirlpool
    2oz mosaic and 2oz citra at day 3 of fermentation
    2oz galaxy 2oz mosaic and 2 oz citra day seven in primary

    Yeast is wyeast London 1318 with a starter

    Mash temp 154

    5 grams of calcium chloride added to strike water
    4 grams of gypsum added to strike water
    1 tbsp of 5.2 stabilizer

    I plan on fermenting at 67?
    How much yeast nutrient?
     
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  2. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    With 10 ounces of dry hops in a 6 gallon batch you may want to watch out for the phenomenon known as "hop burn" (which some claim is due to tiny hop particles left in suspension). Usually if dry hopping is held to 1 oz per gallon the potential for this annoying anomaly is reduced. If you contain your hops in a bag that filters them out quite effectively the chance of experiencing this hop burn phenomenon is reduced. I generally toss my dry hops in commando (unbagged).

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  3. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    You going for a big ABV? Seems like a lot of grain even for a 6 gal batch. I would keep the ABV at 8% or under with a final gravity no higher than 1.014.
     
  4. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I use a pound for a 5 gallon batch. No hop burn
     
  5. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    The whole pound as dry hops?
     
  6. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I'd also not bother with flameout hops and don't waste galaxy if you feel you need a boil hop( you can use a little magnum or warrior).
     
  7. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Probably around 13-16 oz. but yes I barely use any boil hops. I whirlpool a large amount and I dry hop the shit out of it.
     
  8. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I use 22-24 oz of hops in my NEIPAs with no hop burn. Last batch I did 8 oz dry hop during fermentation and 8 oz in keg with a muslin bag. Obviously if you drink the beer before it's properly carbed you will get some hop burn because it's still young, but I do 14 days grain to glass with no hop burn. Slight hop burn during sampling but usually by day 11-12 it's gone.
     
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  9. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Ya I cold crash my neipa and I think that helps get floaties out of suspension which leads to that hop bite.
     
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  10. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    I bottle, and the biggest problem I've had is watching my NEIPA noticeably darken after about a month in the bottles. It seems to gain about 3 SRM.
     
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  11. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    What he said!
     
  12. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Oxidation? These beers are extremely sensitive to it. Even the slightest amount gets ahold of them
     
  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    ya gotta keg and drink quickly
     
  14. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Definitely oxidation.

    If one is careful to minimized oxygen ingress when transferring to a keg, then an IPA will last quite a long time in a keg. My last two IPAs have been quite good at 6 months after kegging. Dry hopping in the keg has, no doubt, helped.

    As for bottling to keep oxygen from being a problem, I have no good advice. In fact, it was oxidation of a bottled Columbus and Citra IPA than finally turned me to kegging.

    Cheers!
     
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  15. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    I may have to consider the kegging route. Either that, or stick with recipes that don't demand dry hopping.
     
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  16. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Looks good to me
     
  17. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    That is going to be a rather sweet unbalanced beer. You need more bitterness to counter the higher FG and seeetness you get from 1318 and that high a percentage of oats will leave a really odd taste in my opinion.
     
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  18. HotWaterMusic

    HotWaterMusic Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2017 California

    I think the 5.2 stabilizer is questionable. Without getting into a long conversation about water, it usually only "helps" if you start with low alkalinity water and use a high% of roasted malts. From your grain bill, I would imagine you would have a mash pH on the high side rather than low...
    And yeah, hops hops hops.
     
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  19. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    i disagree. That's a lot of alpha acid at flameout. As long he cools appropriately I think he should be getting what he wants.
     
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  20. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    As @utahbeerdude said if you’re diligent about O2 exposure (even the smallest amounts) your IPAs shouldn’t fall off and you don’t need to use nearly as many hops as you guys are using. You’re literally just wasting money on hops with some of the ridiculous amounts I see mentioned here. I’ve never bottled, keg everything.
     
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