Need advice: opening a craft beer bar

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  1. Beerguyryan

    Beerguyryan Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2014

    My wife's cousin came over today and told me she and her boyfriend want to open a craft beer bar and want me to be a part of it. I have worked in a restaurant before and have been working in the beer industry for 10 years now. She has worked in restaurants in the past, it was a surprise to me because she has a successful career already. I have a BBA she has an MBA, we are educated. I've wanted to open up a craft beer bar for a couple years just don't have the capital to do so, and with a child on the way I didn't want to risk everything. We just briefly talked about it today, not sure if I would be a partner or a manager, but nothing less than that. She also said whatever I am currently making salary wise they would pay me more than that. They are just in the information gathering stage now, but this is a big decision and I'm just not sure what to do, initially I was excited but after thinking about it I'm not really sure what to do. I read a thread someone else posted about opening a craft beer bar and there were a lot of negative comment, so anyone with any help would be great.
     
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  2. putonyourwalkingshoes

    putonyourwalkingshoes Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jul 31, 2013 California
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    At least you're going into this with some experience in the service industry. Your friend has an MBA that is a great start. But it would be nice if you knew someone with store front experience and management experience in that style. You're going to realize that the capital burn is going to be intense up front. There are a lot of things you should consider right from the start:

    1.) In your current location, is the beer culture popular? Is the area you were thinking saturated with others?
    2.) How are you/your friend going to secure investors? This will be the biggest thing. There is no point in you going into this with less than 20k.
    3.) Can you make personal sacrifices? You do have a child on the way. If this is person is going to limit the amount of other employees, you will be working 12 hour days to say the least.

    Prepare for this. If you do go in, the next 3+ years are going to be rough. I don't know your age. If you are younger then you can afford to take risks but with the responsibility of a child, a lot has to be considered.
     
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  3. KnowYourCraft

    KnowYourCraft Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2014 California

    Agree to everything you've said! Also to the OP you have to try to appeal to the people that aren't into craft or don't really care for it, a customer is a customer and profit is profit in the end. I.E. find ways to get those non craft customers, your best bet with that is great food, paired with a wide variety and styles of craft beer.
    A local craft beer bar where I'm from always offers a steal the glass night every wednesday every week, great promotional thing to pack the house and get people there as well (the place is always packed on that night too.)
    If you have good craft beer offering's the craft community will go, but how do you get the other people there should be your main concern. Cheers and good luck to you!
     
  4. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    location, location,location There is a very successful craft beer bar in my town. They do not in any way cater to the macro crowd, What is the trick here? They are by far the best craft beer bar in town, prices are very reasonable and their competition is far away. Oh, and now at least four of the taps feature their own beer, which is damn tasty and compares favorably with the big guns here in Oregon. And that's saying a lot.
     
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  5. xShoWTeKx

    xShoWTeKx Pundit (994) Jan 21, 2013 South Carolina
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    LOCATION! And most of all it has to be a good place to hang out. If it's just all about the beer with nothing else really going on it will only attract a very very small crowd.
     
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  6. frazbri

    frazbri Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2003 Ohio

    Knowledge. Know what your selling, and train your servers so they know it, too.
     
  7. JuicesFlowing

    JuicesFlowing Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2009 Kansas

    The manager will be key. Keep employees responsible. Just watch Bar Rescue, Jon Taffer knows all.
     
  8. cyrushire

    cyrushire Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Florida

    20 g's probably isn't going to cut it. that's barely enough to cover you're first three months rent and inventory much less tap lines, sanitary equipment, employees, etc.

    you'll all need a business plan, marketing plan and capital outlay just to start and none of those will ensure investors.
     
  9. cyrushire

    cyrushire Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Florida

    you should have enough going in to live off of for a year. the general public is a fickle bunch and preferences change for intangible reasons. make sure you and your partners have analyzed the market thoroughly and do as many comparative set studies as you can beforehand. hospitality is by definition the lack of discomfort. never forget a face and remember personal preferences from your clientele and you should do alright.
     
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  10. Casey3236

    Casey3236 Pooh-Bah (1,641) Sep 14, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    I am friends with the owner of a very successful craft bar/bottle shop. He spends hours on the phone every day just working deals with distributors. He visits breweries around the country. You don't just call the local beer distributor and order kegs of Hopslam and KBS and Pliny and the special stuff that comes out rarely or seasonally and get it. They only get so many kegs and those go to the customers they have relationships with. This guy is successful because he puts in hundreds of hours working his distribution network. Opening a craft bar is easy; if you can't procure the best beers keeping it open is going to be very difficult.
     
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  11. pjvie

    pjvie Initiate (0) May 30, 2014 Oregon

    I don't know much about running a business, so this is from from a craft beer consumer POV: I've been to too many places that emphasize the number of beers they offer (over 50 different rotating taps!) but most of these are not very good, and they do not rotate often. When I see a craft bar, I look for quality over quantity and its a big plus when the place has tasting events and other things like that.
     
  12. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Location means a lot, and not just in town, how about state? Some states have far better Distro with access to more product. I didn't see a location listed, but I'd think it would be more feasible to open a craft bar in Pa or NJ than North Dakota. Relationships with the vendors sales guys play a big part here, with the limited Distro stuff so popular they are the ones that allocate where and to whom.
     
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  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    As others have stated/implied, write a business plan and be very careful you are realistic about it.

    Get a lawyer who knows the alcohol and bar/restaurant business laws to review and advise you on your business plan. Not only do laws vary from state to state they can vary from municipality to municipality. Depending on your location a distance of one block in location can make a huge difference in the laws that will apply to the operation your business.

    Also, get an accountant who alread knows the bar/restaurant business to review and advise you on your business plan. Thinking you both can do it all can be a trap.
     
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  14. richobrien

    richobrien Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2013 California

    I'd have to re-emphasize the point that Cyrushire made about the business plan. Understanding your business model is key. Here are a couple links (to more links) with business plan summaries, and other useful materials

    http://www.hbs.edu/entrepreneurship/resources/businessplan.html
    http://www.sba.gov/tools/sba-learning-center

    Make sure your plan in realistic, model best and worst case in terms of customers, costs, etc.

    Your assumptions should be based in as much fact as possible. Get price lists from equipment resellers and beverage distributors.

    Because of your experience, it should be easy to talk to other bar/restaurant owners, beer sales people, bartenders, waitservers where you can learn a lot of great stuff you won't get from a book i.e. Most alcohol distributors will require you pay cash initially before they will open a line of credit for you.
     
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  15. fx20736

    fx20736 Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2009 New York

    the problem is, if you open a 'craft beer bar' you will draw these obnoxious groups; 1) insufferable beer geeks who want a new Heady Topper or Pliny caliber IPA every week and the other taps must rotate daily, never repeating the same beer twice, 2) people who think Shock Top and Blue Moon are craft beers 3) the I only drink Guinness (or only drink Heineken) (or only drink Yuengling, etc.) crowd, 4) those regular folk who will bitch if you don't serve Coors Light, Bud Light and Miller Lite.

    If it was me, I'd open a Pub, which is short for Public House, meaning what kind of strangers and guests would I want hanging out at my house and design it accordingly.
     
  16. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    I honestly don't mean this as a dick comment, but the opinions and/or 'business advice' of a bunch of strangers on the internet shouldn't be the deciding factor for you.

    The fact you posted here probably tells you enough about which direction you should head in.

    Maybe wait until they have a solid plan (including basics such as your exact role). All seems too vague right now to make such a major decision. Particularly with a child en route.
     
  17. raulstotle12

    raulstotle12 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 California

    I will go to your bar regardless
     
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  18. Kanger

    Kanger Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2013 New York

    Something that a lot of bars don't do: Updated beer menus DAILY.

    Beer menu that list name, style, ABV, and IBU.
     
  19. southdenverhoo

    southdenverhoo Pooh-Bah (1,567) Aug 13, 2004 Colorado
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    Don't be a 'partner', be a 'manager' i.e. employee. Take the more-than-you're-making-now salary and some sort of sales based profit share (but without equity ownership, investment, and liability via personal guarantee of the lease). They want you, they came to you...they value what you bring to the table. This is a compliment.

    But keep your money in your pocket. This is not a time in your life for high risk. Sure, if it takes off, they'll reap most of the benefit. That's as it should be--but again, try to negotiate some sort of profit-share so you have a little bit of the upside, but avoid the downside.
     
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  20. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    People whose business acumen I respect say partnerships should be avoided.

    Also, ignore those who write that you have to offer Bud, Miller or Coors to survive. I've been to plenty of successful, crowded, busy craft bars that don't offer AALs.
     
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