Need feedback on this situation

Let’s just the ignore the dickish parts of these sentences... you have no reason to be mad at JAG for wanting the originally agreed upon beers. There’s one way to fix this problem, you get him a Hydra and then fuck off of this beer trading hobby because you suck.

 

Can't wait until this thread's page count exceeds the DLD thread.

 

It seems like you are begging to get banned.

Anyone have a link or screenshots from the FB drama?

 

February 14, 2019
Weldwerks Trading Forum
187 comments, too many good ones to screenshot

 

what he said. Same comments...they are all immature, I have the best beer, look at my list of 100 beers, they are trying to win the trade...only difference was his INSISTENCE on the other party to call him. Like physically call him, not text or anything...basically tough talk.

 

You could have avoided all of this if you just sent him another HH that you had, you failed to tell that. You are deceptive and i'm so glad i am caught up on situation so i can avoid doing any trade with you. Also seeing you talk in other posts about beers for trading and how you refer to Untappd as some type of measuring stick makes you sound so stupid. People like you are what is wrong with trading nowadays.

 

For anyone wondering what I'm talking about.

 

@UcDru remember when you asked me for 7 letters or less? Could I just change my answer to a link to this thread? Would that count as one word?

I recently dealt with a bad trader situation myself. Most of you are aware of it. I did end up eventually getting a box, which was missing a few beers. I didn't want to chime in here, but I've been following this since day one, and I have my opinion, and a few key takeaways from this.

To start, @LGHT clearly screwed up here. He should have packed the box himself. All of this would have been avoided. Let this be a lesson to everyone. I've been tempted to have someone pack a box on one or two occasions, but never did, because it isn't worth the risk. Pack your own boxes.

@Jag237 is probably a nice guy and didn't want to rock the boat by asking for the original bottle, and it seems like he was given the idea it wouldn't be available. I've had this happen too - where the main promised bottle becomes unavailable, and I understand that it can be difficult to stand up and demand the original bottle. This should be up to the sender to rectify. I think that @LGHT should have made sending a Hypermash Hydra his number one effort after the issue arose. If something goes wrong and your trader doesnt get the agreed-upon beer, do everything in your power to get that beer and make it right.

@LGHT seems to think that @Jag237 is making himself out to be a "victim" here. I was recently "victim shamed" for calling out a trader who screwed me over on a trade as well. This just isn't cool. You agree to a trade, you follow through, and you do everything you can to make that trade right. In a way, @Jag237 is a victim, because he made a trade and didn't get the beer he traded for.

The "it's just beer, calm down" comment seems to pop up in every one of these BT situations. Yes, it is beer. Welcome to BeerAdvocate. We're not here to talk about soap operas. Don't pull that card on the trading section of a beer site. It's also time, effort, and money. You wouldn't say, "it's just money".

The box getting lost in the mail is not @LGHT's fault, but it should always be up to the sender to make good on a lost box. That's just the unspoken rule. Given something that serious, you shouldn't have had your hot Instagram model assistant pack the second box. There was already an issue, and you should have done everything possible to make sure there wouldn't be another one. The trade is between you and your partner. A third party interfering does not shift the blame.

@Jag237 never "overreacted" to anything. In fact, I think he was a bit too docile in not speaking up and trying to get the original HH. Once it's established that someone is in the right, comments like that will only dig your own grave.

@LGHT don't come into a thread guns blazing - it's a bad look. It seems like some people are familiar with your name, and it's hard to keep a level head when people are piling on - some quite aggressively. It's up to you to remain calm and rational while trying to address the situation at-hand.

Calling someone out for bad trader behaviour is one thing. It should be done, and it helps get things moving. However, the aggressive and blatant "fuck you dude" comments aren't getting anyone anywhere. I don't know @LGHT and at this point, I cannot defend him for a single thing, but when there is a situation that needs to be resolved, "fuck you's", don't get you very far. This goes for @LGHT calling @Jag237 an "immature adolescent" as well. If you don't want people to get upset over a disastrous trade, then either be a better trader, or don't trade beer.

There are expectations when trading, and those expectations should be met. When they're not, unfortunately, this is what happens. I looks like @Jag237 will ultimately walk away from this with what he was promised, and that's great. As for @LGHT, just owning up to your mistakes, apologising, and handling this properly would have gone a long way in your favour. It looks like you've had issues in the past with upsetting trade partners, and if that's true, perhaps you should reevaluate your trading practices. At the end of the day, ensuring your trading partner is satisfied is the number one goal. Their job is to take care of you, and yours is to take care of them. That goes for each and every one of us.

I hope this works out for both parties. It seems like @Jag237 doesn't want to pursue this any further, and clearly is not fully satisfied with the outcome. Thankfully, it sounds like someone will step up to get him that Hydra. It seems like @LGHT needs to step back from the situation and look at this from a different perspective, and maybe issue a statement or two. Recognising fault is the first step to improvement.

That's what I'm able to take away from this whole mess. Now I need a beer.

 

Just when you think this thread cant get any better.

Imagine @LGHT & @SierraNevallagash being both participants in a BT thread. I would pay for that

 

that would be the Ali-Frazier 1 of BT threads

 

@John_M
Sounds good to me. Think you covered everything from top to bottom.

One of us can close this up tomorrow.

Cheers!

 

Thanks @John_M and @dmbforever . Can we request this thread stays open for at least a period of time after OP leaves feedback on this trade?

 

Honestly.....probably not. At the end of the day, its the OP's feedback to leave. We have given enough feedback for them to decide...with one exception...

@Jag237 As a moderator, I am making one request....whatever feedback you leave...please include either the link to this thread in your feedback or point your feedback in this threads direction for users to make their own decision on trading with your trade partner in the future.

Any questions contact me or @John_M

Thanks

Cheers!

 

We're done here. @Jag237 I'll be checking your feedback