Need feedback on this situation

Lulz. This thread has it all.

I have a very small DNT list that I keep private. In lieu of this thread, the trader in question has been on my short list since our one and only trade. I always put a reason next to why someone made my list so I don't forget. Next to his I literally wrote, "Just kinda douchey."

That's all I got folks. Good luck OP! Hypermash is delicious.

 

But you left him great feedback...

Great trader. Fast shipping, great packing, easy to work out a trade. Patient w/ my many questions about using USPS!

 

Fact. All of those things were true. He shipped fast, it was packed well, we hammered out a trade quickly, and communication was prompt. 100% accurate. But I also don't have to trade with someone again if I don't appreciate the way they talk to me. This thread, and many of his other posts, fully verify that initial gut feeling I had. The way you talk to people matters.

And more relevant to this particular thread, the pizza place thing was also dropped in our trade conversation as a place he can load up on BL stuff. So that's not the first time he's said this.

 

Man, guys piling on @LGHT. I did a trade with him recently and had a great experience. Super easy to deal with and perhaps even a bit generous on ratios. I’ve done a few trades on BA and by no means was dealing with @LGHT difficult in any way.

I lost my first box shipped recently and it sucks. You do what you can to communicate and make it right. That certainly seemed to happen here.

 

Did you read the thread? In his "make it right box" he shipped a different bottle they didn't discuss which was packaged poorly and leaked. All the while he bragged about having the original bottle he told OP he didn't have in multiple threads when called out about it, they weren't his to drink, he traded by proxy and/or was BSing another poster.

He then comes in hot somehow trying to blame the OP and his hot instagram model assistant that packaged the wrong beer.

It's awesome you had a great experience with him but this is no where near representative of a great experience. Yes he can make it right but I have a feeling he made it on a lot of future DNT lists with the antics.

 

I’m glad you posted this, it goes to show you that not everyone has the same opinion and people will have different perspectives. However I’m not sure you’ve read the whole thread here but I for one won’t try to change your mind. But please take look at the whole thread first.

 

I’ve read every word, including this quote. @LGHT has not shown any bad trader traits in this case, as accused. Having the shipping company lose a box or a cap leak isn’t bad trader territory, as he maintained communication to resolve the situation. What beer he has on hand, or does not, is irrelevant as long as an agreement is made.

My personal opinion, OP was a little premature with this thread not completing communication with his trade partner to a point of resolution. No big deal. He had some questions about how to handle it, and got some legit responses, before the pile started on @LGHT.

Others are welcome to share bad experiences. I opted to share a good one. Positivity is a little tougher to find in 2020.

 

They good ole assistant packed it, seems like everyone has an assistant when something is wrong.

 

@Rkitchen
Losing a box,Sending replacement box=
Signs of a good trader

Sending replacement box and mistakenly switch a bottle out and not having a bottle he’s been bragging about,regardless of the reason why=
Signs of a bad trader

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

And now the op can’t get both his bottles back since @LGHT drank one of the bottles. Yes he’s sending back the other bottle and an extra one to replace the leaking bottle. Yes this is a step in the right direction but the damage is done. The means didn’t justify the end. The @Jag237 did exactly what most people would, and in fact was pretty calm about the situation. @LGHT has been very cavalier about this situation, maybe he really thinks he’s done nothing wrong. However sometimes you need to own up to the situation, which he didn’t. He would rather say he made everything else up to fit the narrative.

 

ViCTIM ALERT!!!

 

@Rustytacos
I appreciate your perspective. I see this as an unintended mistake by @LGHT and feel if this was one of your friends, or trade partners, that had the shipping issues @LGHT had, you’d maybe see it differently. But I appreciate that you may have other experiences or opinions.

I would encourage anyone to read the original post in this thread where, it would appear to me, OP was unsure how to approach his trade partner about a wrong/leaky bottle shipped. I haven’t seen any indication that LGHT was unwilling to replace that bottle with the correct one agreed upon.

 

Thanks for your insight. Every trader is different and opinions on this situation and the parties involved will certainly differ based on their experience.

Some things...

-A lost box is something a trader never wants to happen. Worst fear in trading, probably. For me, I’m neurotic about tracking my boxes sent to other people. LGHT seemed indifferent and speaking to the quote you referenced he only found out about it from Jag, not of his own checking. If i see my tracking turn up something other than on the move, I’m keeping my eye on it and letting my partner know ASAP. Then planning a contingency.

Sure it sucks that USPS lost it, I’d still like to take a look at that tracking number, but he is responsible for that box until his trade partner gets the beers that were agreed upon in the trade. That did not happen.

-Compounded by the fact that he said he couldn’t get another Hypermash for the OP, but elsewhere saying how many he had for himself and how abundantly available it was in his area. If true, then get OP the beer that was agreed on for the trade. That kind of behavior makes me suspect of someone.

-The leaky bottle, shit happens. However, as traders we do everything in our power to make sure the box and those bottles and cans within the box make it in one piece to our partner. OP, suspected it could have due to poor packaging. If so, who’s fault is that? Not LGHT, he put it on his assistant.

-Putting the wrong bottle in the replacement box. Happens right, but LGHT didn’t take responsibility. Once again he put it on his assistant. OP was trading with LGHT, not his assistant.

Sure he’s “making it right” but imo, only because OP started this thread looking feedback. To me, you’re only as good as your last trade. Whether you’ve completed 1 or 1000. And all of the above for me are things I wouldn’t want to deal with and a person I wouldn’t feel comfortable trading with in LGHT.

My (last) two cents. Trade responsibly. Carry on.

 

The fish rots from the head down.

 

Well, good to hear. Keep us posted on if/when it arrives and how the assistant did with the packing job.

 

I appreciate the suggestion that we step back and consider whether and why LGHT's actions really fall into bad trader territory. I strongly disagree with your last sentence, though. I think it's absolutely relevant what beer the trader has (or has access to). That's part of what has grated on me about LGHT's actions as revealed by this thread and elsewhere. If a bottle breaks, is lost, etc., the original trader has an obligation to do everything they can to replace that exact bottle. This is especially true if the bottle was the primary one in the trade (as it was here). This is especially true if the trader has boasted elsewhere on BA about having a "LOT of extra" of the bottle (as he has done in several threads). This is especially true if, given the trader's location, it would be relatively easy to trade locally for a replacement bottle (as is true here).

LGHT now claims that he never really had all the extra bottles of HH that he previously boasted about in several threads (now he says he was just BSing in those threads, or he was proxying bottles for other people, or whatever other excuses he has now made up). He either has extra bottles and doesn't want to give up another one, so he's lying to the OP about not having any. Or he doesn't have extra bottles and he's lying to the BA community in his previous threads. In either case, this is not a good look, and certainly not a sign of someone who can be trusted.

And again, even if he doesn't have an extra HH right now, LGHT could have easily traded for one locally to make OP whole. @Jag237, can you clarify whether @LGHT ever raised the prospect of finding a replacement HH for you? What exactly was his response when he found out the box was lost?

 

And when talking about replacements, we can't forget that, you know, the guy said he still had plenty of Hydra after telling OP he didn't. Just because OP was okay with this lie at the time doesn't somehow make the lie okay. This is a clear case of LGHT trying to get out of what he owed OP, and instead giving him something he deemed "lesser."

@Rkitchen you wouldn't call this a "bad trader trait," or do you think I'm being too harsh or misunderstanding?

 

@Rkitchen you wouldn't call this a "bad trader trait," or do you think I'm being too harsh or misunderstanding?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I’d agree if he had a Hydra available and didn’t offer it up as a replacement that would be bad trading on his end. He posted here that he didn’t have one and I’m choosing to believe him.

I did see his posts about the ease of obtaining Hydra. He claims it was banter, I don’t really know if it was, but my favorite thread is the DLD thread, so I see a lot of nonsense posted!

Note, however, the original post in this thread didn’t revolve around an agreement for a replacement bottle, it was concern around a wrong/leaky replacement bottle. My personal opinion is that this thread went off topic from original question to become a character attack.

I fully understand other’s points and concerns around the trader. I just saw a recent trade partner getting shit on and thought I’d offer up a little support for having had a perfectly fine trading experience. I don’t fault anyone here for having a different opinion or experience.