Need help lowering ABV

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  1. flexabull

    flexabull Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2006 California

    Question from a novice homebrewer here. I found a recipe online for an Imperial Chocolate Pumpkin Porter that I'd like to brew. But I don't want an imperial, I'd rather this be more like a 6-7% ABV beer instead of 9.4% that the recipe calls for.

    Any suggestions on how to lower the ABV and/or improve the recipe would be appreciated. Thanks everyone.

    Original Gravity 1.094
    Final Gravity 1.019
    Alcohol Content 9.4%

    6.6 lb. Muntons Light LME
    2 lb. Muntons Amber DME
    1 lb. Briess 6-Row Malt
    ½ lb. Briess Carabrown Malt 55° L
    ½ lb. Thomas Fawcett Chocolate Malt 400° L
    ½ lb. Thomas Fawcett Pale Chocolate Malt 220° L
    ¼ lb. Muntons Black Patent Malt 500° L
    1 oz. Northern Brewer Hop Pellets 10.6%AA (Bittering, 60 minutes)
    1 oz. Willamette Hop Pellets (Flavoring, last 5 minutes)
    4 lb. Pumpkin*
    5 oz. Cacao Nibs*
    2 Cinnamon Sticks*
    3 Whole Nutmeg*
    3 Whole Allspice*
    Wyeast # 1335 British Ale II*
     
  2. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    What are you trying to make?
     
  3. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    I just brewed up a chocolate pumpkin porter recently heres the recipe

    http://ryanbrews.blogspot.com/2012/10/pumpkin-porter.html
     
  4. flexabull

    flexabull Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2006 California

    The beer I listed above, just don't want it to be imperial/high ABV.
     
  5. michaeltrego

    michaeltrego Crusader (447) May 21, 2004 New Hampshire

    As a ballpark, you could simply reduce all of the malts and pumpkin by 30%.
     
  6. flexabull

    flexabull Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2006 California

    Thanks, that is what I was thinking.
     
  7. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Is scale all of the recipe including hops and spices as well as grains.
     
  8. flexabull

    flexabull Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2006 California

    Thanks Patrick. Didn't think that was as important as lowering malt and pumpkin to get the ABV down.
     
  9. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    It's not quite that simple. Building a recipe is a juggling act with sweetness, bitterness, and body. There's also a balance of maltiness, hops, spices, and whatever other flavor components are being added. Touch any of these characters and the rest are thrown off balance. Any adjustments to a recipe like this for the purpose you stated would be a crap shoot, at best. It will take some insight into what each ingredient brings to the party (aka experience), as well as some trial and error. I don't sense that's what you're looking for. I would suggest finding another similar recipe for a Chocolate Pumpkin Porter that is not imperial. Better yet (internet recipes tend to not have stellar reputations), talk it up at your brew club (you belong to a club, right?) and get suggestions from those who have done something similar.

    I would also suggest maybe a collaborative brew with a more experienced brewer. Novice is not a good place to start playing with things like pumpkin. It's not particularly difficult, but it helps to know what's going on in the mash to do it effectively. I'm also a little concerned with using 4 lbs of pumpkin in a mash this small. But I'm no expert.
     
  10. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    The hops and spice don't effect gravity, but you want to maintain the BU:GU ratio the original recipe intended for (unless you want to change that).
     
  11. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Hop utilization will increase with the lower gravity. You'll end up with increased bitterness unless you account for that. That's why I said it's not as simple as it initially seems. If you're really, really in love with the recipe, the safest approach is to brew it as is, then add water at the end of the boil to get the gravity down where you want it. But it's still likely to be disappointing.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    In general, taking a good recipe and simply cutting fermentables back drastically, without changing hops, spices, etc. is not going to make a good beer. I would echo mikehartigan's recommendations. Or at the very least, I would cut back everything (except water) proportionally, and then ask for comments on the resulting recipe.
     
  13. flexabull

    flexabull Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2006 California

    Thanks for the comments everyone. I'm brewing this with my brother who has more experience than I do.

    Does something like this sound more doable? Cut everything down by 25-30%

    4.25 lb. Light DME
    1.25 lb. Amber DME
    3/4 lb. Briess 6-Row Malt
    1/3 lb. Carabrown Malt 55° L
    1/3 lb. Chocolate Malt 400° L
    1/3 lb. Pale Chocolate Malt 220° L
    1/8 lb.Black Patent Malt 500° L
    .75 oz. Northern Brewer Hop Pellets 10.6%AA (Bittering, 60 minutes)
    .75 oz. Willamette Hop Pellets (Flavoring, last 5 minutes)
    3 lb. Pumpkin
    3.5 oz. Cacao Nibs
    1.5 Cinnamon Sticks
    2 Whole Nutmeg
    2 Whole Allspice
    Wyeast # 1335 British Ale II
     
  14. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I would do the IBU calculation on this. It's likely to be on the high side. As I said, hop utilization goes up as the gravity of the wort goes down. Your BU:GU ratio will be affected by this. A 25% reduction in gravity may require a 40% reduction in the 60 minute hop addition, for example. Otherwise, the beer is likely to be too bitter (40% is only an illustration - you need to do the calculation to get it right). And I'm still concerned about trying to mash 3 lb pumpkin with less than 2 lb of grain.
     
  15. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    add 1 lb of sugar to dilute the malts.
     
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  16. goodonezach

    goodonezach Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2011 New York

    all that's going to do is add more fermentables. the OP is trying to lower the %ABV, and adding sugar is just going to give the yeast more material to turn into alcohol. usually sugar is added in place of other malts to provide the same OG without as much residual sugar that is perceived in the body, so a "lighter" beer made with sugar still has roughly the same %ABV as its counterpart made with the corresponding amount of grain.
     
  17. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    i was hoping someone would have picked up on the joke. i should have said "10 lbs of sugar"
     
  18. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Miss your volumes on the high side.
     
  19. goodonezach

    goodonezach Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2011 New York

    yeah i thought you were kidding but didnt want to be a jerk in case you werent...
     
  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I was gonna say pitch brett into the secondary...
     
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