Need help purchasing first kegerator

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  1. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    Hey guys,

    I'd like to pursue my first kegerator purchase but I don't pretend to know a thing so I'd like to lean on the community for some help. Feel free to talk to me like a 3rd grader. I definitely will not be offended.

    The Mrs and I have decided we want to get a kegerator that has 2 taps and can fit two sixtel kegs. She enjoys beer while I only like soda.

    Therefore one sixtel will be a beer, most likely a hefeweizen. The other will be root beer which also comes in a standard sixtel keg from a local micro brewery.

    From the research I've done so far I've come to the conclusion any kegerator under $900 isn't worth a crap without modification that takes it above the $1k mark. Is that a fair assessment? Or is there more cost effective solutions that perform well?

    That being said, I was prepared to spend up to $1,500 and am wondering if that's enough to get a nice setup and what your suggestion would be? Lastly, is there any special considerations for the fact one tap will be exclusively for soda?
     
  2. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Good to see you are being realistic about the cost.

    You can certainly save a few hundred dollars, but you probably won't be happy when the thing doesn't work right, the parts are crap, you are pouring foam yadda yadda yadda.

    Let me be the first to tell you to consider a keezer. Or even a fridge conversion if you want. How handy are you? Doesn't take too much really.

    I think you can a 2 faucet home unit for about 1k, but remember you'll need 2 of everything so the cost goes up quick. Feel free to post some links and all of us have opinions. Naturally.

    You should look into a dual gauge CO2 regulator. Soda is highly carbonated. Ask your intended supplier how they package soda. You will need something like this
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    so you can maintain 2 separate pressures. That gauge is bulky as hell and wants to fall over, but that's the one.

    Cheers.
     
  3. CubaLibre

    CubaLibre Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017

    Mate of mine got one and while it fitted into the gap he had, a bit of wall blocked him from swapping out kegs, kinda disrupted the party a little. So, my advice is make sure it fits the space and you can easily swap kegs
     
  4. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    The local brewery put me in touch with a company they deal with for all their hardware needs. The gentleman I spoke to has suggested this setup after I told him what I was trying to accomplish....

    (keep in mind he total includes $300 worth of shipping and tax. I can save on shipping if I pick it up from [2.5hrs away] them but obviously no way to get around tax)

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/104649347@N08/shares/c2R4w6

    ^not sure how to embed pics here so please click on the link :slight_smile:
     
  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    This is a fantastic set up. Extremely competitive prices. I checked against my wholesale, you are doing very well.

    BM-23. Best price is Webstaraunt $1,484 at the moment, and that is real and truly as low as you will see. So that is a steal.

    An economy 3" 2 shank s/s tower is about $88 wholesale. The premium is $180. Remember the BM-23 comes with a single faucet tower, so you should be seeing a bit of a credit and a reduced price on the tower. And s/s shanks are great. Cheaper units do not use s/s shanks and most people never know. But they are better than chrome.

    Perlick flow controls, s/s at $55 is fair. You can really do without the flow control and just get Perls. Again, S/S is very nice to have.

    Couplers are good. Perlicks are top quality.

    Your regulator is in 2 pieces, which is one way to do it, and the price is fine. I figure it's not a no name but can't tell.

    You don't need to buy a new aluminum CO2 tank. Your gas supplier most certainly swaps tanks. Like propane. You won't be using that tank ever. You'll pay for one the first time, then just pay for gas each time and swap the tank. Perpetual supply, rotating tank.

    Freight is always a killer. If you pick up at the terminal in Binghamton confirm they will load it for you. It will come on a small pallet and the terminal is not going to unpack and help you get it into your Honda but they will fork lift it into the bed of a pick up. Otherwise you will likely need liftgate delivery to your home and that is expensive.

    I would quote you a price offline to be honest, if you are 2.5 from Binghamton you are not far from us. But we could match the price, maybe save a hundred max. And we are not really the type who bids against someone else's parts list.

    Cheers.
     
  6. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York


    Thanks for the deatailed and thoughtful response. From what I gather the only thing you would change is the paying extra for an aluminum tank? And the way he's regulating the co2 is different that the way you would suggest but no better or worse?

    Also, I'm located in Binghamton, NY and the beverage outfitter is 2.5hrs away from me. Feel free to send me a private message if you like.
     
  7. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Before you commit on a tank learn how it will be filled in your area. Most likely it will be a swap out, but some fire extinguisher outlets will fill on the spot. Prices on swap vs. fill are all over the map. So decide when route you will take and review prices of each. If your area does swaps, it's usually possible to "buy in" to their program. Remember, you'll probably be going home with a 30 year old tank (which isn't a problem). I have two tanks I swap-out and one I refill . . . guess that makes be Bi-tankual.

    A five pound tank is a poor setup. Cost to fill/swap is only slightly less than a 20 pound'er, again depends on your area. If you decide to buy and refill, search this forum for "hydro dates" . . . not a show stopper but something that has to be managed. You can usually do good on Craigslist looking for old tanks, just be aware of the hydro date.

    I would get more details on the regulator being offered. This is a potential source of problems that can be prevented with a good quality reg.

    As you get closer to putting your system together give a good search here for "leaks" (CO2 and beer). . . you want to solve these type problems before any precious beer is at risk. Can talk about "balancing" at a later date.
     
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  8. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    Thanks for the info. I looked into co2 fills in my area and there appears to only be two places that do them. Dicks sporting goods for paintball players and a locally owned gas store that specializes in residental co2, propane and heating oil. They charge $10 for a 5lb fill and you keep your tank. They do not do any kind of core/exchange program.

    I'll reach out to the folks I got the quote from and ask about the regulator.


    ***My new found concern is the rootbeer we will be purchasing is available in sixtel's but I just found out the beer we want is not. It's only available in 1/2 kegs. I really don't want to have to buy a massive kegerator to be able to run a 1/2 and a 1/6 at the same time. I have a feeling that'll take things into pricing I didn't plan on spending.

    Really wanted to stay with Bev Air, True or Perlin due to them being commercial units. After a quick search; Anyone have any thoughts on the XCK-2448B from Kegco? They claim it to be in their commercial line and would have the space I need but I know nothing about them as a company or if the components are even close to the "big 3 companies" listed above. If it shouldn't even be considered them maybe we have to rotate the two different drafts.... because while I didn't mind spending around $1500ish, the 3k unit from Bev Air would double my budget
     
  9. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    Anyone?

    Trying to come up with a way to have a 1/2 keg and a 1/6 keg at the same time without spending close to $4k
     
  10. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    The foot print for a standard front door kegerator is about enough for a half barrel, usually.
    Once you get into multiple draft lines the appliance gets bigger, and much more expensive, very quickly.

    Most all kegerators that can hold more than 1 half barrel are designed to hold 2 half barrels. These are commercial units. Big. Loud. Expensive. With two doors. This is not really a homeowner appliance. In fact I don't recall any kegerator that is designed for a half +. It will be for 2 half bbl, and you can opt to use the space for any config you like. But space for 2 half bbls.

    It is typically more practical anyway for a homeowner to have 2 quarters, 2 sixths or a quarter and a sixth. Keep in mind that a half barrel is really a lot of beer. Even for those of us who hit the handle hard, it's a lot of beer. Like loaves and fishes. And you can get exhausted seeing the same draft for weeks.

    Cheers.
     
  11. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    Everything you say makes comepletely sense. I was really disappointed to hear no one within 200 miles would work with me in getting my preferred beer in sixtel's. They all stated it was cost prohibitive to get in anything except 1/2's. I said cost wasn't the issue, size was and that I'd "overpay" if necessary and they weren't interested :/
     
  12. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    To be fair to the brewer. the market for homeowner sales is really not something they need to worry about.
    For every keg out in the market figure there are 2 additional. One more at the brewery being cleaned and filled and one more at the bar/restaurant waiting to be picked up or in transit. So for the brewery to commit to sixtels they would need to invest thousands of dollars in cooperage (that's the fancy word for a keg). Sixtels are getting more popular, more so than 1/4 bbls even, but only for certain beers. A pallet of 50 sixtels is over $4,000. One account typically requires 3 kegs. And craft brewers are notoriously strapped for cash. And time too. Anyway...

    Even with all that, it is hard to believe you can't get sixtels in your area. If you do some research, call the distributors and speak with the sales people, they will be able to send you to the right retail outlet. Unless you are in Pigs Knuckle, Arkansas there is a sixtel available within 200 miles.

    Keep at it.

    Cheers.
     
  13. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    Looking for schofferhofer. Thought for sure someone could get it in sixtel's as I'm in central NY and willing to travel within reason. Called multiple distributors and kept getting told no. Finally called the US importer based out of Connecticut and was put in touch with their northeast sales rep. Told him my situation and he referred me to a distributor out of Kingston NY that "he 110% new could get it in sixtel's".

    Called down there and spoke to their purchasing associate who immediately told me the sales rep was dead wrong and that they'd never be willing to get it in anything short of a 1/2 keg and if that was too much he could get me 16oz pint cans. Gee thanks buddy!
     
  14. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Central NY is my back yard. This place is in Ithaca, my front yard.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5465/?view=ratings

    They will have 5 to 15 sixtels in the cooler at anytime and will gladly order what you need. If it is available they can get it. Just ask.

    You need to know that distributors can only sell product within their territory, and they only sell wholesale, not to individuals. They can point you to their retailer. But if you don't live within their territory you are not a sale and therefore not very important.

    Finger Lakes Beverage is a unique retailer and can usually get anything if there is enough demand. More to it than that, but basically this is your store.

    If you are serious and intend to enjoy good beer develop a relationship with the owners. They are great people. Even if you don't live next door do yourself a favor and visit. You will not be disappointed.
    Cheers.
     
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  15. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    Whoops! Guess I should have been more clear with the terms i'm throwing around... I keep reaching out to different retailers such as Sam The beer man and being told no. That's when I called the north america importer and asked for help. They suggested a distributor that they "were positive bottles it in sixtel's and then sells to the retail shops. Called that distributor and was told they only deal in 1/2's... and that they have never provided a 1/6th to any of the retail stores in their region


    Thanks for your continued support! I didn't expect them to be open this late on a Sunday but they are so I just got off the phone with them. Spoke to a gentleman who stated he'd need to inquire with the owner on Tuesday. His gut feeling was no but I'll remain optimistic and hope for the best :slight_smile:
     
  16. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    Just got word they won't get it in either :/
     
  17. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    Schofferhofer is imported from Germany in 50 Litre kegs and in bottles. The closest thing you will find to an American 1/6 bbl is a 20 L keg.

    That said, importers bring the beer into the country and send it off to distributors. The distributors then sell the kegs and bottles to retail accounts...which is where you purchase it.

    It is against the law in most states (if not all) for distribs to repackage kegs into smaller containers.

    In other words, you are looking for something which doesn't exist...and I can't believe the importer didn't tell you that straight up.
     
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  18. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    Thank you for the detailed response. What you're saying makes complete sense. It also might be why the regional rep from the importer won't even return my phone calls after I called back and left a message saying the place he suggested said he was misinformed. Something tells me he doesn't want to deal with me and/or doesn't want to admit he gave me bad intel. I'm now 14 for 14 in places that say it's only available in 1/2 kegs and had increased my search area to 3hrs away. So I'm fairly confident you've hit the nail on the head
     
  19. Iceman22

    Iceman22 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2017 New York

    10/18/17. **Update**

    Now that I'm satisfied finding Schofffer in a 1/6th just isn't an option, I'm going to go a different route...

    Last week, Worried that 1/2 kegs were starting to look like the only option I confirmed a double wide bev-air was going to be $3,650. With that being more than I could justify I started looking into a keezer build. Looks like I can build a very nice unit for around $1,000. I have a solid understanding of the building materials required and the labor to complete it. However, the line equalization just flat out evades me.....I've done my best to read a ton of threads but the information just seems to be all over the board.

    Can someone please help me? I'll be running a keg of professionally brewed rootbeer and a keg of schofferhofer. Each liquid line will be 3/16ths I.D.

    Can someone comment on PSI for each and length of beverage line for each? [I understand that all systems may require a little fine tuning but but solid starting point would be much appreciated]
     
  20. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    Line length for a Keezer is the same as a keg box. My recommendation with 3/16 ID line is 6.5' at 12 psi where the liquid temp is 36*.

    I'd buy extra line so that when the Root Beer drinker finally tires of that beverage, you can just install a brand new line instead of attempting to remove the root beer staining from the existing line.

    One last thing...and don't shoot the messenger; Do you have a plan for lifting a 50 Liter keg into a keezer? Regular 1/2 bbls weight in at just over 160 lbs...a 50L will most likely come in around 138 (26 lbs for the empty keg and 112.25lbs for the beer).
     
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