Need major help here :/

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  1. Fenderbender12

    Fenderbender12 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2017 Ohio

    Hi all, new to the forum. Heres my situation. First solo homebrew.

    I brewed an American wheat ale. Did a full boil using an extract kit. Used a wort chiller to cool. Right before I pitched the yeast I noticed it had risen like 10 degrees to about 70 (I had a false reading while cooling). I went ahead and pitched (thinking back pitch was not aggressive enough). I then realized that I lost 2 gallons of water during brew (long brew time because I steeped grains in primary brew pot). I added 1 gallon of took temp distilled water.

    Fast forward..fermentation wad wayyy slow. I added raspberries after all signs of fermentation stopped about 2 weeks in and let sit for a week or so. I am using a fast ferment, so I opened the valve and removed trub and raspberry fragment. Went to bottle and FG was 1.1 (should be under 1.02). Clearly didnt ferment!

    I am going to repitch another batch of yeast today. I think the beer will turn out fine because there is plenty of sugar left to ferment. Anyone with experience have thoughts or suggestions? I can identify several errors that I made and intend to correct!
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Is that accurate? Your FG reading was 1.100?

    Cheers!
     
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  3. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    First thing that caught my eye too. That's a pretty big wheat ale especially if you did see signs of fermentation.

    Pitching your yeast at 70 is unlikely to be a problem. Were you able to maintain fermentation temps?
     
  4. Fenderbender12

    Fenderbender12 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2017 Ohio

    That is certainly accurate. Believe me I checked like 20 times with the same hydrometer that clocked the og correctly. It has been in my basement covered with a towel at 65 F consistently.

    Newest update: there are a million raspberries floating up top that didnt fall down with the yeast. I tried to scoop some out with sterile spoon and realize I'm gonna have to rerack before bottling. I add ed 1 pack of reconstituted Nottingham ale yeast and resealed.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    How many lbs. of extract (was it liquid or dry?)?

    How big was your batch (i.e., how many gallons of beer did you end up with)?

    Cheers!
     
  6. Fenderbender12

    Fenderbender12 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2017 Ohio

    It was 2 containers of lme with a specialty grain bag. Did a full 5 gallon boil. I started with a little over 5 gal and steeped the specialty grain in my main brew pot x 1 hr, at a consistent temp (forget the number) then removed the grain bag and boiled that liquid to start the brew (I dont have a mash tun set up).
     
  7. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    What was your original gravity? I'd say put up your entire recipe up so we have some more information to go on.

    High gravity beers are tougher and I wouldn't recommend it for a first time solo try. You need lots of yeast cells and oxygen to get full attenuation.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    So what was your OG? If you didn't measure, what did the recipe specify?
     
  9. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    It sounds like you did not compensate for boil off resulting in a lose of 2 gallons of wort which you offset with one gallon of water. Assuming a 5 gallon batch your OG was likely 20% higher than intended. Plus there would be additional sugars from the raspberries. Did you take an OG reading? If so what was it. 1.10, assuming no fermentation at all, sounds high based on this mistake and my guess as to the intended kit OG. Have you calibrated your hydrometer? Are you trying to read it in the fermenter with all the extra raspberries around?
     
  10. Fenderbender12

    Fenderbender12 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2017 Ohio

  11. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I'm not sure how you went from an OG of 1.06 to a FG of 1.10. That indicates that you have more unfermented sugars, or something else adding density to the wort, after fermentation than you did before.
     
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  12. Fenderbender12

    Fenderbender12 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2017 Ohio

    I feel like adding raspberries may have caused that? I added 3 lb of frozen and then thawed fresh raspberries to the secondary! Totally forgot to mention that in the original post lol
     
  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Since you lost 2 gallons of water was the 1.100 reading taken before adding any water, but maybe the raspberries had already been added? Were the raspberries in a syrup solution? A super dense 3 gallons of wort/beer, even if raspberries (syrup?) added, would not explain a 1.100 reading, but we're all grasping for possible explanations here. It seems to me that there has to be something about your gravity reading procedure that is suspect. Are you certain that you are not reading 1.010?
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Adding (fresh/frozen) raspberries won't increase the gravity of your wort/beer. By the time their sugars are making it into the wort/beer, so is the water from the fruit.

    And gravity does not increase during fermentation. So...

    If the extract recipe was designed for an OG of 1.060 and you had something at 1.100 or higher, that would mean you wound up with only about 3/5 of the volume of wort that the recipe called for. Is it possible that your final volume (after boiling and topping off) was really only 3 gallons?

    There has to be something wrong with the FG measurement, or there's something else you haven't told us yet.
     
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  15. Fenderbender12

    Fenderbender12 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2017 Ohio

    I am relatively reading it correctly. On brew day I poured a sample into a volumetric flask and dropped in the hydrometer, let it settle and read. That was 1.060. I did the same thing yesterday when i was going to bottle and it was at 1.1. To clarify, I added 3 lb whole raspberries about 2 weeks into fermentation. They were frozen and then dethawed. These sat for about 1.5 weeks before I took the 1.1 fg reading.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    A solution with an OG of 1.060 will not increase to 1.100, unless 2/5 of the water evaporates. (No matter how many raspberries you add, because they will actually reduce the gravity. The gravity of the sugar/water in raspberries would be somewhere around 1.020 to 1.030. You can compute the exact answer if you know the sugar content and the water content of raspberries.)
     
  17. Fenderbender12

    Fenderbender12 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2017 Ohio

    Weird! I did go down to 3 gallons, took my measurement at 1.060 then added 1 gallon to make it up to 4. I didnt measure after this until the higher reading. I am still showing about 4 gallons of beer in the fermenter. I must have made some sort of error, just cant pinpoint it.
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Well...if it was really 1.060 @ 3 gallons, it would have been 1.045 @ 4 gallons. (And 1.036 at 5 gallons. Unless a whole bunch of the extract didn't make it into the kettle, that 1.060 @ 3 gallons would not be possible. Should have been much higher @ 3 gallons since it should have been 1.060 @ 5 gallons.)

    I recommend tasting the wort/beer at this point. And maybe taking a picture of a new gravity measurement and posting it.
     
  19. Fenderbender12

    Fenderbender12 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2017 Ohio

    Welp, I just looked at the hydrometer and I am pretty sure I took the readimg wrong. I just added another pack of yeast to the brew and it was apparently reading at 1.01. Fml. What will adding another pack of yeast do to the beer after several weeks?
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Nothing except make your beer a little cloudier (for a while), which you might want in your wheat beer.

    ETA: and it might expedite the carbonation time.
     
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