Need shipping advice on keeping beer cold

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  1. chewymangos

    chewymangos Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    I did a couple searches and didn't really find anything so I apologize if I've missed past threads. What is the best way to go about shipping beers that are extra temperature sensitive? Beers that have a much higher chance of exploding if they get too warm due to extra fruit being added and secondary fermentation. Dry Ice?
     
  2. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Tip 1
    Dont ship them in the summer
     
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  3. chewymangos

    chewymangos Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    Not the type of tip I'm looking for. Asking what's the best way to ship and keep temps cool for beers that need it but thanks.
     
  4. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    It may not be what you want to hear, but it is the best advice you are going to get.
    You can back the beer in Styrofoam with dry ice. But it is still going to sit in a red hot warehouse, red hot truck and/or on a porch. If you ship those beers in the summer you are taking a risk of exploding cans.
     
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  5. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    While I Generally agree with @SammyJaxxxx that this may not be what you want to hear, I disagree about the "redhot" part. Being in a truck it probably won't be red hot, just like in the wintertime it is not sub-zero, even when it is negative 20 outside. Unless you ship during a time where the box might sit (eg over a weekend), it's unlikely (to me) that your box will ever be in an environment that is hotter than 80ish degrees for longer than several hours. What's inside your box is unlikely to be hotter than that for an extended period (again, IMO).

    I'll gladly ship during the summer - even sours - but I would never let them sit on a weekend, and i would avoid some particularly brutally hot periods if it can wait.

    If you have any real concern, I agree with Sammy to just wait. It's not worth the loss or the cost of spending an additional... $20-50??? To do this.
     
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  6. chewymangos

    chewymangos Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    I'm not new to shipping by any means whether its summer or winter. I'm specifically asking about the best way to ship beers that need to remain cold and how to go about the process of keeping them cold if feasible. I'm not asking for opinions on if I can ship in the summer time. There are plenty of traders out there shipping things like the Joose crowlers from Answer or other beers along the same line that can explode if not kept cool as much as possible.
     
  7. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    What are you shopping that "needs to remain cold?"
     
  8. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    You are getting these responses because anyone that tells you a beer needs to be kept as cold as possible to keep from exploding is either lying, does not know what they are talking about (i.e. Ignorant of the truth), OR the brewery bottling/canning in question is doing something wrong.

    Every beer should be able to sit at room temperature indefinitely (65-75 degrees). Further, there's no good reason that nearly all beers can't sit at 75-85 for short periods of time.

    True that beers with active cultures (sour beers bottle conditioned are the ones people normally think of - especially cork and cage) can be at risk. So, people just don't ship them if they are worried. But they do not have to "be kept as cold as possible."

    If you think we are all crazy and/or full of shit, then packing cold isn't rocket science. Pay exorbitant costs and use styrFoam and dry ice. OR, ship next day with ice packs.
     
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  9. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I use a double wrap of bubble wrap which provides some level of insulation as well as protection and I don't ship late on Friday if there is a chance the package will sit in a warehouse over the weekend. Also I don't ship any so beer so valuable that it requires special packaging or overnight shipping.
     
  10. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    Maybe put the beer in a cooler with ice packs in the box? IDK how long that would last. How much beer are you shipping that you want to keep cold? How many shipping days will it be to the destination?
     
  11. bigda83

    bigda83 Crusader (453) Feb 13, 2014 New York
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    There's also a ton of videos on Facebook with people posting them blowing up............ People were giving you honest advice and that reply comes off snarky man. Most likely, 95% of those people trading joose/veil fruits and shipping those aren't doing anything special. They're sending them and hoping they make it without issue, however, that's only the first step because the receiver has to open it still and face a good chance of a beer explosion. Things happen. I recently had an issue with a beer that leaked 1/4 the bottle. The brewery ended up posting about an issue with that specific beer, but I also traded for another one at the same time and that one had no issue. The best bet on what would work best is a Styrofoam cooler and dry ice if it's a two day shipping time. I'd put it in a bit bigger heavy duty box and probably pack newspaper all around it to make it as insulated as possible. Then make sure the receiver is someone who can snag the box right away rather than getting home at 8pm when the box was delivered at 11am.
     
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  12. chewymangos

    chewymangos Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    I get that some are being helpful and maybe I should have made it more clear that I'm not asking for opinions on whether or not they think I should ship in the summer. I'm just looking for those who have and continue to do it and what kind of precautions or shipping techniques they find successful. Simple techniques are even more of a help because I doubt I would be shipping large quantities to begin with and paying lots of extra money for materials for a few cans isn't worth it As far as whoever asked what I'm shipping, I'm not actually shipping anything yet. 450 North has releases every few weeks and their Slurpys I've been told can and have exploded if they aren't refrigerated. I want to make it to a couple releases and just looking for advice ahead of time. I've heard the same thing about Answer joose crawlers and wanted to possibly ship some of those 450 beers to friends and family.
     
  13. chewymangos

    chewymangos Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    Cold as possible was my own term and I just meant kept cold vs rising to room temps or above. It's an extra precaution I wanted to take to ensure nothing happens when the time comes. Nobody is telling me I have to do it. I've picked up numerous techniques over the years trading and shipping and not every one is going to be shown in some basic shipping video or easily accessible when it's not about regular shipping so I was asking those with experience how they go about it and what do they find works best without spending tons of extra money on a $4.50 can of beer.
     
  14. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    IMO there is probably something wrong with their process if things are exploding.

    I had 2 450 north cans explode on me. Both were IPAs sitting at room temp.

    That should not happen - like, at all. Never had that happen with any other brewery. The fact that other people are finding this is further evidence that they have a problem.
     
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  15. pilotpsk

    pilotpsk Aspirant (281) Apr 8, 2017 New York
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    I think the take away is that it really isn't practical or cost effective to send a refrigerated box. It's definitely discouraged to do so, however, things to keep in mind are this.

    1) Time is not your friend, the longer the box is exposed to the elements, the more likely it will be that your cold source will stop working.

    2) You have to insulate well, the better job you do, the longer it will last.

    3) Communication is key, shipping at the right time and making sure the other party moves fast when receiving will make all the difference in a successful venture.

    I would recommend a heavy duty box lined with an air tight Styrofoam core can work. Pack the Styrofoam liner with the beer and dry ice. Seal the liner with tape and reinforce to ensure that it stays air tight. If that seal breaks, it's over. This is how the cheesecake factory would send cakes through the mail and it stayed cold for up to 3-4 days. However, they always ship overnight to ensure cold delivery so you can't cheap out.

    Hope this helps
     
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  16. jhavs

    jhavs Grand Pooh-Bah (3,587) Apr 16, 2015 New York
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    How many days of travel time to you expect and how much volume are you sending?

    I sent a package that I wanted to arrive cold so they could be drank right away. I bought a $5 dollar cooler that held 8 cans (16oz). I put a few ice packs in the cooler with the beer and packed the whole cooler in a box. Took 2 days and was cold. Didn't add much to costs.

    The insulated boxes from food delivery services also seem like they would work well for this. I get them (re-purposed for beer) via a trade once in a while.
     
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  17. SudsSavant

    SudsSavant Savant (1,038) Jan 9, 2007 Minnesota
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    You could always use a Yeti cooler to ship. Then again by that point your container is more expensive then the beer in it...unless you're shipping some Tree House.
     
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  18. KBlodorn

    KBlodorn Pundit (920) Oct 3, 2014 Ohio
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    I didn't bother to read the comments, but if you have to ship beer that's cold (which is strange in itself) throw some cheap frozen vegetables in the box. It'll also provide a little extra padding
     
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