Needing help with back sweetening a brown ale

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  1. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    So I made a brown ale 2 weeks ago and kegged it last night. It was supposed to be a ginger bread beer however, there is no residual molasses flavor what so ever from me possibly over-pitching the yeast. There is also no residual spice aroma or taste to it. I was hoping to back sweeten the beer with molasses to give it that nice gingerbread feel. I currently have the beer in the keg at 33 degrees to try and kill as much yeast as possible. Are there any recommendations for this process?
     
  2. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    I should add that FG was 1.006.
     
  3. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    The sweetness won't come back, but it's a bit early to add more spices, IMHO. The beer may just need some time to settle, and develop. Though it would do so slower at cold temperatures.

    If I were back sweetening with molasses, I would dissolve in just enough boiling water to thin it out enough so that it wouldn't just fall to the bottom of your keg. How thin you need to make isn't something I can really say.

    You won't "kill" the yeast, but they will go into hibernation...and you can probably add the molasses at any time...just make sure to keep it in the fridge after you do.
     
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  4. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Hmmm. I recall suggesting to use more molasses in the boil. George Washington style.
     
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  5. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    @VikeMan mentioned to me that I could try to use table sugar to back sweeten it and i'm thinking about doing that as well. But I am mainly going for the molasses taste to add to the beer, along with that will come the sweetness from it.

    Maybe I could boil the molasses and some water together to get it thinned out as much as possible and then add straight to the keg?
     
  6. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Touché, however, I did not think my yeast was going to go balls to the wall and **** every living sugar.
     
  7. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Which yeast did you use?
     
  8. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Nottingham, but I made a starter for it because I've had some old packets I've bought from my LHBS and I didn't want to screw around with a bad fermentation.
     
  9. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    If you want medium gravity beers to finish sweet, try mashing at 160F and using a low attenuation yeast. Nottingham finishes pretty dry most of the time.
     
  10. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Yup, that's what I was suggesting. Of course, let it cool first. (Though I'm not sure what the detriments are to adding boiling water to cold beer are...but it doesn't seem like a good idea).
     
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  11. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    how much spice did you use?
    How much do sweetness do you want? Maybe some maltodextrin with molasses could be a good mix to build the body.
    I made a snicker doodle beer finish as 1.016 and had complaints from the 'crowd' that it was too dry/not sweet enough. Thought if I ever tried that one again, I'd use some maltodextrin in the mix. I used 4 sticks of cinnamon in 5 gal (3 at FO and 1 in the keg) and thought that was good level.
     
  12. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    If it is going to stay in the keg, that is what I would do.
     
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  13. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    About 2 oz or so at flameout. How much lactose did you add for the 1.016 FG beer? I actually like the idea of adding lactose.
     
  14. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Do you think that it will still sink down to the bottom, seeing it's a heavy liquid..?
     
  15. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    It would depend on how thinned out it is. For instance, when I back sweeten ciders I use dethawed apple concentrate, added straight from container to keg. I have had no issues doing so.
     
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  16. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'm half tempted to ask what everyone would think about pouring some into a paint straining bag and using it as a dry addition. Anything that works its way through the bag is likely to dissolve and not clog the dip tube at the bottom.
     
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  17. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    It'd certainly shock the yeast who are already sluggish. Might actually not be a bad idea to add it to the keg while it's still fairly warm.
     
  18. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Dude, that actually sounds like a good idea. Some may think it's stupid but whatever. At least most of it will remain suspended in the beer for quite some time. As opposed to just sinking to the bottom. I think I would have to add a serious amount of water to try and thin it out
     
  19. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I would have concerns that the temperature of the wort wouldn't allow much of it to dissolve in a sufficient amount time to take advantage of it. However, I have not experimented with it...so I certainly couldn't say for sure.
     
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  20. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

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    Experiment. I've put a small amount of molasses in a glass of cold water. Don't mind the ice used to bring the temperature down. It's in the fridge, and I will report back. I will say that molasses really thickened up when it hit that cold water, and dropped like a stone.

    It's about 1/2tsp in about a cup of cold water...this is a very tightly controlled experiment, obviously.
     
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