NEIPA Hop Varietals

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by drink1121, Mar 27, 2018.

  1. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    I am always on the lookout for hop varietals to use in my NEIPAs. I like to use the usuals - Mosaic, Citra, Simcoe, Galaxy and then blend with hops (that are usually cheaper) like Hallertau Blanc, Idaho 7, etc. I am wondering what hops everyone else is using outside of the "usuals." Looking especially for cheap hops that work. I will go first:
    Hallertau Blanc
    Idaho 7
    Lemondrop
    Huell Melon
    Mandrina Bavaria
    Ella
    Motueka
    Vic Secret
    Belma
     
  2. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    I'm a big fan of El Dorado mixed with other tropical hops
     
  3. 209Hill

    209Hill Initiate (19) Dec 22, 2016 Virginia

    Cheaper hops that I like in combo with the "usuals" - Cascade, Columbus, Azacca, Idaho 7, El Dorado.

    Not the cheapest, but I also like to use Amarillo.

    I've used both Belma and Mandarina Bavaria in NEIPA combinations, but didn't think they were great.
     
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  4. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    anyone use Cashmere??
     
  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Crusader (780) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    An excellent suggestion.
     
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  6. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Aspirant (235) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Good luck finding it.
     
  7. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Aspirant (235) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    anything listed on a hops site as tropical fruit/citrus.
     
  8. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Initiate (94) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    My homebrew club got 2lb for free from a farm in CT. I can honestly say I don't get much from cashmere. I like the beer I made with it, but it isn't amazing in any way from the hops.
     
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  9. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (84) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Best combo I've found so far is Citra, Galaxy, Denali, and El Dorado. I use 16oz in whirlpool at 180 for 30 min and 4oz in dry hop at high krausen. I use equal parts of all 4 kinds.
     
  10. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    16 oz for whirlpool?!??! how many gallons do you brew?
     
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  11. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (91) Jan 10, 2018 California

  12. InkastareBrewingCompany

    InkastareBrewingCompany Initiate (31) Mar 13, 2018 Wisconsin

    I'm a fan of azacca. Recently did one with azacca, El Dorado and citra.

    Taste wise it was where I wanted it. Colorwise it looks more like a hazy Bells two hearted than OJ.
     
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  13. TheHumanTorch

    TheHumanTorch Initiate (161) Jul 19, 2013 Connecticut

    I brewed a single hop IPA with Cashmere from Hop Head Farms. Really unique raspberry character to that hop. I think it is mostly useful in single hop beers. I could see the aroma from this hop being easily overpowered.
     
  14. wasatchback

    wasatchback Aspirant (259) Jan 12, 2014 Utah

    I don’t think the German hops are really that great for this style, maybe Mandarina.. they just get overpowered.

    Motueka is weird. I think as accent or in a Pilsner it’s got a cool lime thing. I do really like it with Nelson. You need to use a lot of it on its own and then it can be really grassy.

    Ella will get overpowered but on its own in smaller beers it’s cool. I don’t find it to be much like it’s descrption.

    Vic Secret, Enigma... huge hops that are crazy potent.

    Strata.. hard to find but pretty amazing. Next harvest there will be a lot more of it. Watch out for this one, I swear.

    Still can’t figure out Ekuanot or Idaho 7.

    Denali is crazy high oil content but for some treason it doesn’t seem to translate like you think it should.

    Anyone use BRU-1 yet? Just brewed an attempt at a Pineapple forward IPA with it, El Dorado, Vic Secret, Citra. Was gonna use Denali too but hops were old and just didn’t smell that great so I tossed em.
     
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  15. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Crusader (780) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    I was less than impressed with Cashmere, as well.
     
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  16. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (91) Jan 10, 2018 California

    Sitting on a 1/2lb. Gonna brew an IPA up with it. I’ll report back soon when it’s done.
     
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  17. bryantc3

    bryantc3 Initiate (133) Apr 12, 2017 New Jersey

    i'm going to test out a El dorado and Belma (with a few more ounces Belma) combination, hoping to get a nice mixed berry going, I will also supplement it with a little mandarina bavaria.

    My preferences for NEIPA are generally Citra, Mosaic, and Amarillo. I have definitely grown to enjoy Amarillo in later dry hops. I buy by the pound from hopsdirect so the pricing isn't bad. I tend to stay away from Galaxy as the prices are nuts. A lot of other hops I would like to try are either expensive or hard to find (Vic Secret, Motueka, Waimea, wai-iti, etc.). I do want to check out Idaho 7 and Azacca eventually, maybe even a heavy Centennial NEIPA - Other Half did quite a good job with one.

    I did try out a healthy dosing of a mixture of Huell Melon and Mandarina since they were so cheap, but it was so underwhelming, granted I used a bad yeast for those hops (sacch trois).
     
  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,371) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    My local brewery had a single hop IPA brewed with Cashmere grown at Top Hops in Goodrich MI. I really liked it, haven’t bought any yet, but I would like to brew with some from MI.
     
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  19. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Crusader (780) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    What kinds of characteristics did you get from it?
     
  20. wasatchback

    wasatchback Aspirant (259) Jan 12, 2014 Utah

    Are people really liking Belma? I’ve never read anything good about it. It’s been out for a while and when it first came out seems like it wasn’t that well received.
     
  21. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,371) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    Some citrus (tangerine) at first, later in the mug’s worth an herbal hop flavor came out. It was not a strong aroma or flavor, but very nice to my tastes.
     
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  22. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Crusader (780) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Wasn't a fan, either.
     
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  23. bryantc3

    bryantc3 Initiate (133) Apr 12, 2017 New Jersey

    i've had some beers where Belma was in the mix, and enjoyed them. I altered my hop schedule to cut down on Belma and introduce some mosaic instead of mandarina. should make for an interesting combo.
     
  24. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    I use Mandrina and Huell as complimentary (around 10%). I think you can use Halerrtau Blanc with good success even in a dominant roll.
    I will definitely be on the lookout for Strata!
    I used Ekuanot closer to 25% of the total hops, because I get a green pepper flavor that can over power if I use too much.
    I think Idaho 7 is great and has a massive dankness to it.
     
  25. 209Hill

    209Hill Initiate (19) Dec 22, 2016 Virginia

    I used it in a single hop pale ale and was underwhelmed. Nothing bad - to my palate it was like a light version of Cascade. I didn't get any of the strawberry or melon notes.

    I also used it in combination with other hops (Ekuanot & Cascade), where unsurprisingly I felt like it didn't come through in any meaningful way.
     
  26. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,206) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado

  27. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (179) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Based on a pale ale that I recently brewed and just started drinking, I would strongly recommend Bravo for flavor/aroma purposes, particularly if you are going for a fruity, citrusy character that isn't dank, resinous, or tropical. The description in the Brülosophy "hop chronicles" summary is quite accurate in my view: floral, citrusy (tending toward orange rather than grapefruit), and sweet. The one place I disagree is that I don't detect any tropical character, which was prominent in the survey data in the hop chronicle review.

    I know Bravo is usually thought of as a bittering hop, and I can't deny the logic of that given that it clocks in at around 17-18% AA. But I am blown away by how pleasing it is as a flavor/aroma hop. I'm not normally a hop person, but Bravo is changing my mind.

    [Edit in bold]
     
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  28. chavinparty

    chavinparty Initiate (117) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Got a pound in the freezer would I be better off with a single hop apa or apa? What did you get from it and what hops might compliment it in your opinion?
     
  29. chavinparty

    chavinparty Initiate (117) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    I like Nelson but it’s definitely not for everyone. I’ve met a few brewers that get a petrol harshness from it and I taste it but it’s so different from other hops that I like it
     
  30. chavinparty

    chavinparty Initiate (117) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    I’m gonna throw topaz and eureka in the ring. Haven’t been able to find pounds for awhile but when I did a few years ago I brewed a super juicy ipa with these two and mosaic. It was about as close to a glass of juice as I’ve gotten
     
  31. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (84) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    6 gallon batches
     
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  32. gmartinobrew

    gmartinobrew Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2018 New York

    Another vote for Citra, Denali, and El Dorado. I have a pale ale fermenting with these right now that smells really good. Pineapple, mango, citrus notes
     
  33. bryantc3

    bryantc3 Initiate (133) Apr 12, 2017 New Jersey

    this makes me feel better about my newest recipe using 15oz total of hops....for roughly a 3.5-3.75g batch, where only 2.5g will get kegged.
     
  34. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Crusader (780) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    They came off as mostly herbal, so making a light colored lager or saison would be very appropriate, IMO. Other, more tropical fruit forward, hops won't clash with it, per se, but they won't be terribly complementary either.
     
  35. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    holy shizzz. I have never heard of that.
     
  36. jmarsh123

    jmarsh123 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2010 Indiana

    I used it in a DIPA a few months ago. Nice strawberry aroma, but would use it in conjunction with something else next time. Flavor was kind of one note.
     
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  37. InkastareBrewingCompany

    InkastareBrewingCompany Initiate (31) Mar 13, 2018 Wisconsin

    Anyone ever exclusively dry hopping only? No boil, no whirlpool?

    Would that lead to a straight juice, no bitterness NEIPA?
     
  38. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (179) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Scott Janish has done that shit, here's a link.
     
  39. chavinparty

    chavinparty Initiate (117) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    I’ve done this with great results but started adding 5 minute hops for a more well rounded flavor. Never gone back to 60 minute additions in ipas
     
  40. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    I have done all whirpool in hot and no cold (dry) hops. it was too basic and now round enough but glad I tried. was definitely still good though.