NEIPA Recipe Critique

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  1. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Would appreciate feedback on this. Thanks in advance.


    Style:
    American IPA
    OG: 1.076
    FG: 1.018
    ABV: 7.65 %
    IBU's: 12.34
    Efficiency: 65.00 % Boil Size: 7.10 Gals
    Color: 5.6 SRM Batch Size: 5.50 Gals
    Preboil OG: 1.067 Boil Time: 60 minutes

    Grains & Adjuncts

    Amount Percentage Name Time Gravity

    10.00 lbs 49.38 % Rahr Premium Pilsner 60 mins 1.037
    5.00 lbs 24.69 % Fawcett Pearl 60 mins 1.036
    3.00 lbs 14.81 % Oats, Flaked 60 mins 1.037
    1.00 lbs 4.94 % Barley, Flaked 60 mins 1.032
    1.00 lbs 4.94 % Briess Carapils 60 mins 1.034
    4.00 ozs 1.23 % Weyermann Acidulated 60 mins 1.030

    Hops

    Amount IBU's Name Time AA %
    1.00 ozs 11.35 Amarillo 15 mins 8.50
    1.00 ozs 0.99 Amarillo 1 mins 8.50
    1.00 ozs 0.00 Amarillo 0 mins 8.50

    4.00 ozs 0.00 Galaxy DH1
    1.00 ozs 0.00 Azacca DH1

    4.00 ozs 0.00 Galaxy DH2
    1.00 ozs 0.00 Azacca DH2

    1.00 ozs 0.00 Amarillo DH3

    Yeasts
    Amount Name Laboratory / ID

    0.75 million cells/ml/plato Dry English Ale White Labs 0007

    Additions

    (none)

    Mash Profile

    Grain Temp: 70.00 °F Mash Tun Vol Loss: 0.75 Gals
    Grain Absorption: 0.13 Gals/lb Tun Temp Loss: 4.50 °F
    Cooling Shrinkage: 4.00 % Kettle Trub Loss: 0.75 Gals
    Hourly Boiloff: 9.00 %

    Mash Steps:

    Infusion 60 [email protected]°F
    Add 25.31 qts water @ 174.3°F
    *estimated 2F loss during mash rest to 154F

    Batch Sparge
    Sparge 16.60 qts water @ 164.00 °F

    Water Profile

    50 ppm SO4, 175 ppm Cl

    Fermentation Steps

    Name Days / Temp
    Primary 3 days @ 68.0°F
    Secondary 4 days @ 70.0°F

    Carbonation

    2.2 volumes

    Notes

    Target mash pH: 5.4

    Ferment 68 x3 days closed fermentation, dry hop 1, closed ferment at 70 x4 more days, 12 hr before cold crash close blowoff, cold crash x2 days at 38F, closed CO2 transfer to purged dry hop keg for dry hop #2, dry hop at room temp x3 days shaking twice daily, cold crash at 38F x3 days, closed CO2 transfer to purged serving keg w/ 1 oz Amarillo leaf hops, purge beer with CO2, carbonate to 2.2 volumes CO2 over 5 days.


    Dry hop three stages:

    - 5 oz at 3 days into fermentation x4 days then cold crash x2 days

    - 5 oz after fermentation in dry hop keg x3 days, shake daily

    - 1 oz leaf hops in serving keg


    HOP COMBO: Galaxy 8 oz, Amarillo 4 oz, Azacca 2 oz
     
  2. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Looks good. Grainbill's a little more complex than it needs to be, but that's OK. Personally, I'd push all your hot side hop additions to 180F add a few more oz. of hops.
     
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  3. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I personally think that 12 IBUs is a little low for a beer of that size. I know there are Zero IBU beers out there as well, but in my opinion I still want some bitterness to balance. If it were me I'd take it up to at least 20.
     
  4. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    If he dry hops that heavily, he'll get some additional IBUs and, more importantly, perceived bitterness from that.
     
  5. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Good call. I forgot to make a notation in the recipe. Software calculates only 12 IBU but it takes me a good 20-25 minutes, after FO, to get down to <180F. So my beers tend to be more bitter (perceived) than what the software captures.

    I would guess this recipe would be in the 30 IBU range in actuality, give or take.
     
  6. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    There's a good BeerSmith podcast episode with Michael Tonsmeire that dropped this week featuring a discussion on NEIPA if you have access to it, worth a listen.
     
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  7. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    I wouldn’t ferment 007 at 68 personally, it can get really tart at that temp. Some English yeast get more fruity at that temp or higher but you get other negative aspects with 007 that high I think.

    That high of a FG with that low of an IBU would seem really unbalanced to me, it could be really sweet.

    You’re cold crashing for two days then warming back up? Is that right?

    With 007 I don’t think you’ll need to do that. You probably only need to drop it to 60 to get the yeast to drop out. You could bag your first DH addition if you’re worrying about Hop particulate in Transfer. Also if you can’t mainatin positive head presssure, cold crashing to 35 will definitely result in a bunch of O2 pickup. You don’t need to shake the second DH keg either, just hit it with a light burst of some CO2 through the liquid out.
     
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  8. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Sorry, my confusion, I always calculate bitterness picked up during whirlpool/cast out and include that in my recipe number (no sense in guessing).

    As for perceived bitterness, I'm actually keeping that in mind as well. I've currently got a N.E.style IPA that's got a fair bit of dry hop "burn" to it but I still feel it needs a little balance from bitterness. My O.G. on that was roughly the same (1.072 but I'm also more attenuated) and I still think it's a little too malty sweet at 24.8 IBUs. Of course, maybe I'm just too set in my old ways. :grin:
     
  9. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Yeah . . . who want bitterness in their IPAs anymore? :wink:
     
  10. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    If you are going to have that complex of a grain bill I might consider getting rid of the pilsner malt and just using 2 row. Also, I have had great success with wheat. Either white wheat or flaked.

    I agree that the boil hops should be a small amount at 60 then the rest after FO or under 170 degrees for a 15-30 min hop stand.

    Last thing is I prefer a FG no higher than 1.014 to balance the low bitterness as mentioned before.

    Good luck!
     
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  11. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    I think that you might end up being a bit too full bodied for the ibu level. I would either increase the ibu or reduce the % carapils and/or mash temp. But that is mostly a preference, if you like high body and low ibu the recipe is on point.
     
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