Nelson v. Mosaic

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Nelson or Mosaic?

  1. Nelson

    56 vote(s)
    41.5%
  2. Mosaic

    79 vote(s)
    58.5%
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  1. mambossa

    mambossa Aspirant (241) Jun 30, 2015 Ohio

    Personally, the two most interesting and desirable hops to me.

    While Nelson is typically described as resembling the NZ Sauvignon Blanc grape (the only style of white wine I enjoy), time and time again I find Mosaic more resembling of a NZ Sauv Blanc with its intense herbal, funky, and earthy charactaristics as well as a good dose of passionfruit and lemony bliss.

    Wine talk aside...Both being very relevant hop strains for single-hop brews nowadays, which is your pick and why?
     
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  2. BenwayPHD

    BenwayPHD Aspirant (289) Sep 4, 2014 California

    I love mosaic, although lately it has been too dank and heavy for my taste. I think these days i prefer Nelson. It has the same tropical (papaya, mango) notes that Mosaic hits, but I always get a little bit of a peppery or spicy flavor, similar to Amarillo, that I have grown to really enjoy.
     
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  3. stickboy1125

    stickboy1125 Initiate (162) Jan 28, 2012 Virginia
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    I see significantly more beers with Mosaic hops vs Nelson, Nelson hopped beers are few and far between in my area, especially single hopped Nelson beers.
     
  4. Mshaw78

    Mshaw78 Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2016 Virginia

    I voted mosaic for two reasons. One, I have never had a single hop nelson to really see it shine on its own. Secondly, it wouldn't have mattered what the other option was, I would pick mosaic.
     
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  5. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    Mosiac is the clear winner here and not even a real competition either.
     
  6. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,507) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I don't like Moasic as a single hop , I liken it far better as a blend, it's got that catty element if left alone. Nelson kinda reminds me of Centennial, I know I couldn't tell them a part, my palate isn't that sensitive, it would come down to which beer I liked best. Low on the bitter, kinda an orange/ tangerine hit, it's a great hop for a single hop beer.
     
  7. DoctorZombies

    DoctorZombies Poo-Bah (3,570) Feb 1, 2015 Florida
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    Voted Nelson. I think it marries better with west coast citrusy hops rendering more complex tropical fruit and dank layers.
    Mosaic all on its own is a little one dimensional for me.
     
  8. Tonyjenlasc

    Tonyjenlasc Initiate (0) Jul 6, 2015 New Jersey

    Mosaic without a doubt. Nelson, when done right, is great too though.
     
  9. TriggerFingers

    TriggerFingers Disciple (351) Apr 29, 2012 California

    I don't like Mosaic on its own. As a home brewer, I have used it and didn't quite care for it (it's the blueberry and simcoe together that is kind of meh to me). That being said I have tasted some examples that were good. However, Nelson is just so unique and I have had great success with it as a home brewer in various recipes.
     
  10. SRBush1974

    SRBush1974 Aspirant (279) Apr 18, 2015 New Jersey
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    Another vote for mosaic!

    Nelson is good as a single hop (i.e. Other Half), but can be great used as a dry hop (07750!).
     
  11. skleice

    skleice Aspirant (283) Aug 6, 2015 Connecticut

    Tie IMO. Both great, but different.
     
  12. tillmac62

    tillmac62 Poo-Bah (1,794) Oct 2, 2013 South Carolina
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    Nelson by a nose.
     
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  13. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Poo-Bah (1,834) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    Nelson, everytime I think of the other, I can only think of Terrapin's Mosaic, which I wasn't crazy about for some reason
     
  14. Hyptochrons

    Hyptochrons Meyvn (1,367) Jul 12, 2015 Massachusetts

    have to say mosaic ... the dankness that comes from mosaic just perfectly compliments the citrus and tropical notes.
     
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  15. thepenguin

    thepenguin Devotee (460) Aug 8, 2010 Massachusetts

    Went with Nelson. These are both among the best varieties out there today for hoppy beers and I love em dearly, but as one poster noted there can be a bit of an herbaceous catty/gooseberry note with Mosaic that I'm not in love with. If offered both I'd take the single-hop Nelson beer.
     
  16. bigbadwanger

    bigbadwanger Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2015 Iowa

    nelson by far, mosaics are everywhere. TG Zeelander is my favorite Nelson and imo the best Nelson there is.
     
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  17. Hwk-I-St8

    Hwk-I-St8 Initiate (89) Jan 22, 2016 Iowa

    I heard that the new Scorpius Morchella from TG is Nelson hopped. I'd believe it based on the nose and taste. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a blend of these two hops. Regardless, it's fantastic. Sosus is single hopped with Mosaic. I'm hoping that hits distro today. It was a great beer the last time they released it.

    Back to the poll....I didn't vote because I've had beers with each that were excellent. I prefer a world with both.
     
  18. ElijahSF

    ElijahSF Initiate (177) Aug 30, 2013 California

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  19. Nuks

    Nuks Initiate (58) Jun 18, 2014 Illinois

    I remember driving 5 hours to TG, trying Psuedo, liking it ok, then being blown away by Zeelander. Ended up drinking 2 more of them that trip and buying them whenever I can find it in Madison, WI.

    Mosaic to me just is very one note, and it leaves a weird bitterness I don't care for as much as most people who enjoy it do. It's fine, and some of my favorite beers ever are mosaic and (insert other hop), but on it's own I don't care for it much.
     
  20. batch19

    batch19 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2014 Connecticut

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  21. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,484) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Nelson by a mile. From a taste perspective mosaic comes across as onions and chives to me. While I like that in small doses, by itself it is off putting. Nelson comes across as juicy and fruity to me, and I enjoy it in saisons especially. There's just no room for chives in my beer.
     
  22. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,656) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My latest purchase of Founders Mosaic Promise (a few month ago) was heavy with dank; much to my surprise! I was not a fan of this particular release. A prior purchase of Mosaic Promise in 2015 was much more enjoyable for me.

    I have homebrewed IPAs which featured Mosaic hops in the past (2014 - 2015) and those beers were prominent in berry fruit flavors.

    Cheers!

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/new-beer-sunday-week-579.400428/#post-4636629
     
  23. Fox82791

    Fox82791 Devotee (469) Jun 20, 2014 New York
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    I voted Nelson only because mosaic can be extremely dank and have a broccoli taste
     
  24. ovaltine

    ovaltine Poo-Bah (3,217) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    It's literally like comparing apples and oranges for me, and I absolutely love both apples and oranges.
     
  25. phillyhops

    phillyhops Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2014 New Jersey

    Nelson has been more consistently enjoyable for me recently. I love mosaic, but it can be a bit too dank for me sometimes. Nelson can have a lot of similar notes but is a bit more vibrant and can result in a bright, pungent ipa
     
  26. Ricelikesbeer

    Ricelikesbeer Devotee (470) Nov 29, 2006 Colorado

    I went with Nelson- mostly from my home brewing experience and tastings of homebrew with either variety, and also the commercial examples I've had in recent memory. I recently tried Rico Sauvign from Against the Grain and loved that- it was so complex, interesting, and flavorful. Most of the beers I've recently had, including Station 26's mosaic single hop IPA, had some cattiness/astringency that I really didn't care for, and had more garlic-type flavor and aroma that I would care for too.

    SO , Nelson is hands down- and as I mentioned, I've had some great homebrews with Nelson involved too- especially a buddy's double ipa a couple of years ago that was all nelson.
     
  27. CJNAPS

    CJNAPS Meyvn (1,089) Nov 3, 2013 California

    Mosiac, I'm a fan of the Dankness.
     
  28. Wiffler27

    Wiffler27 Meyvn (1,311) Aug 16, 2009 New Jersey
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    i like mosaic but not single hopped
     
  29. denver10

    denver10 Poo-Bah (2,938) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Nelson is one of my 2 favorite hops. Not too into Mosaic. Easy call for me.
     
  30. Hoppy_Time

    Hoppy_Time Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2016 Maine

    Definitely Mosaic for me. I'm a big fan of beers that are heavily hopped with Mosaic like Bissel Brothers LUX or Mayflower Brewing's Alden. I think it adds a lot of interesting character when used with other hops, especially with Galaxy, Simcoe, Cascade and Chinook. My friend once described it as the flavor embodiment of chopping through the jungle with a machete. And probably my favorite thing about Mosaic is the way the flavor profile varies between beers and with different food pairings, for me it gets a lot of berry character when paired with smoky foods, dank oniony flavors when paired with cheesy food, and lush tropical flavors when paired with savory dishes like a steak smothered with gravy and mushrooms. There are just no other hops that do that for me, it is hands down my favorite hop. (Oh and my favorite thing to pair a good heavy Mosaic beer with is sausage and feta pizza, now that is all I want).
     
  31. mecmd

    mecmd Savant (934) Jan 7, 2012 Tennessee
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    i like both. Probably prefer Nelson as a single hop but love Mosaic when combined with Citra e.g. Surly Todd the Axe Man and Alpine Hop Boxed. Anyone know of other beers that showcase these hops together?
     
  32. brentusaurus

    brentusaurus Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2012 California

    A lot of my favorite accessible beers have mosaic (Grunion, St. Archer Mosaic, Blazing World, Orderville) and I love that dankness+fruitiness. I even love the onion/herbal.
     
  33. Boat

    Boat Initiate (75) Jul 29, 2014 Minnesota

    I feel lucky that a local brewery (Fulton) just re-released Insurrection IPA that is brewed with Nelson and Mosaic hops. Now I don't have to choose between the two.
     
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