New Beer Weekend #144

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  1. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I love it when anecdote and statistics confirm each other. I hadn't done research into my assumptions, but I assumed that: @ovaltine and I rate Tree House beers very similarly; Mike rates them slightly higher than I; and I rate them slightly below rDev.

    All three assumptions are validated there. :slight_smile:
     
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  2. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Well, all that talk of -rDev with Tree House can go out the window .....

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    Harmony is a Nelson Sauvin showcase, and incredibly balanced at a modest 6.9% ABV. @JayORear I'm hoping I sent you one of these. It may not be OG Alpine Nelson - it's closer to Beer'd's Hobbit Juice, IMO - but it's damn tasty.

    Tasting highlights: mildly to moderately dank, with a bit of dirty earthiness to the green hop expression. Additional notes of white grape, peach, pineapple, melon, ruby red grapefruit, black pepper, pine. Low to moderate bitterness, but in keeping with Tree House tradition, it's less bitter than throwback American IPAs, but more bitter than most modern NE IPAs.

    Absolutely excellent, if less juicy and sweet than you might come to expect from Tree House.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/28743/150889/?ba=Roguer#lists
    4.40 / +1.6%
     
  3. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    Wanted to cheat a bit here.
    I enjoyed a few other beers late Friday night from the penultimate pummeling perpetrated perniciously against my person and porch. All courtesy of @FBarber in our latest iteration of NBS BIF...#17.

    Greener Times
    Loved this one

    Alterior Motive

    New brewery to me, and a pretty nice first.

    God I love these BIF's/
     
  4. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    A bit more intimidating, but a more direct comparison: All 27 of the beers that both of you had rated/reviewed as of Friday morning (@ovaltine)
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  5. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    You're a madman that must never be stopped. :grinning:
     
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  6. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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  7. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    That's pretty amazing how relatively similar our ratings are - I wonder what happened to @Roguer on Jjjuiceee Machine (I loved that one, him not so much).

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  8. Jack_14

    Jack_14 Pooh-Bah (1,682) Nov 2, 2019 Italy
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    Have a good Sunday Advocates,
    here is my new beer, bought for the first time last week on the shelves of Eataly (a sort of quality supermarket where you can find many artisan products, including beers. Not like in supermarkets where you usually do your everyday shopping ).

    Birrificio Balabiòtt (Domodossola, ITA) - RUTAMÀTT - American Pale Ale Gluten Free (5,6%)

    33 cl can. On the label: "Best before: 12/13/2023"
    Light notes of summer fruit and citrus on the nose.
    Poured has a deep blonde/light amber colour. Very clean, only slightly veiled but not opaque at all.
    Minimal foam and no texture.
    In the mouth the body is very light and the carbonation is present, but it is a little low, they look like very small bubbles which give a different impression from the normal carbonation, which by the way should be more lively in this type of beers.
    Malt notes characterize the soft entrance, the beer slips away and citrus notes emerge (orange peel, grapefruit) with a slight glimmer of more tropical and summery notes (apricot, mango).
    The final bitterness is dry and perceptible, but still very light in measure with the beer.
    Basically a simple, fast, very light drink, a beer that is not unforgettable but not with obvious defects either: it lacks a bit of explosiveness both in taste and in bitterness, the malty notes should be dominated by the taste of the hops, the carbonation and the foam should be more evident..... but it could also be that the Brewmaster has opted (and if so it would be incomprehensible, in my opinion) for a beer with little "push" for the only gluten free beer I've seen in their line.

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    Slàinte !
    Cheers !
     
  9. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    Good morning NBW…I started my day finishing off that BBA Brick Kiln from yesterday – about 10% into the writing of the review last night, I was called to join my family in an impromptu social engagement, which resulted in my saran-wrapping my glass and stashing it in the fridge until this morning. My confidence that this would be OK was well placed – no noticeable degradation of the beer overnight.

    Family plans for the day will suck up a good portion of the middle of my day, reducing my capacity to crack BIF beers to an unacceptable level, which leads to the extremely unusual scenario of starting my third beer of the day before 11 AM.

    My big, exciting plan for NBS today was to open both of @ozzylizard’s mystery beers side-by-side. Aside from the “serve at cellar temp” note, the context that he was probably talking about Brauerei Heller-Trum / Schlenkerla and he carried them home by hand, the information about these beers that I have is: “As far as I know, these are only available from the brewer in Bamburg and are experimental brews run off on their small pilot setup.”

    I let them sit on the counter for 45 minutes or so to simulate cellar temp. I also trimmed off the top of their disguises, so I could actually pour the beers.

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    Here we go...

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    Appearance

    Mystery Beer #1: Light brown, clear, with a medium sized head on the pour that settles into a lasting ring with a light dusty island in the center. Seems to be pretty carbonated. 4

    Mystery Beer #2: Dark amber, tiny amount of carbonation, basically zero head. Clear or at least translucent, based on the pace of the bubbles that do form, it looks pretty thick. 3.25

    Smell

    MB1: Not getting much in the way of smoke – maybe a light hint. Something vaguely fruity about it, though I can’t place what it might be. Might be something esoteric like jackfruit – almost an umami + fruit thing that I can’t identify. 3.5

    MB2: Screaming smoke. Somewhere in between campfire and burning charcoal. Couple more whiffs and I get a little nuttiness. 4

    Taste

    MB1: This is hoppy. Grapefruit rind and lemon zest. Really hoppy. Again, an umami hint in the background which works surprisingly well. Bitterness keeps building as I sip it. Really interesting. 4.25

    MB2: Less one-note than the aroma – super smokey, dates as well. Smoke seems more like charred oak now. Toffee sweetness. Start getting some molasses later on. 4.25

    Mouthfeel

    MB1: Moderately thick, a little syrupy, smooth, nowhere near dry. 3.75

    MB2: I keep getting distracted by new flavor notes when I’m trying to think about the mouthfeel. Body is medium thickness, a little chewy, not nearly as still as the appearance suggested…in fact, a small ring of head has emerged since I started this experience. 4.25

    Overall

    Two very different beers. I would guess MB1 is a double IPA or American barleywine that has been very lightly smoked (that would explain the vague umami-ness that I’m probably imagining because of its supposed origin). I would guess MB2 is a heavily smoked dubbel. I like them both a lot, and I can’t wait to find out what they actually are.

    After I finish these two five ounce samples, I'll do the dramatic reveal...
     
  10. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Time for another side-by-side, and this will close out the Tree House Data Set series I have on hand (#7 was not available when I picked up my pair of 6-packs):

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    The color difference between these two is striking. That is not some sort of artefact from the picture. Even in different lighting, #3 is pale yellow, while #6 is more of a coppery orange.

    I'm also curious as to the difference between #3 and #5, which are both British/English ale yeast varieties. #3 specifies that it is close to their house yeast, but I found that to be the case with #5, as well, during my review. Hmmmm. The NE IIPA thickens ...

    Let's start with #6 (Nordic yeast).

    Somewhat sharp aroma, distinct from all the others in the series. Very piney. Notes of grapefruit, pine, oregano, mint. Absolutely brighter and less juicy than the others.

    Getting to the tasting well after the pour, as I went for #3 first, but this one expresses almost like a WC or throwback IPA. There's some tropical fruit flavor to be sure, including melon, mango, and papaya, but there's a pleasant and easy-going citrus aspect to it, with notes of grapefruit, lemon, and orange. Incredibly soft in flavor expression, it's like a fruit salad, and impressively drinkable.

    This one may not be my favorite in the series, but it's immediately up in that territory. It's supremely drinkable and simultaneously flavorful. Tree House's notes track on this one. I'm really, really digging this one. It's perhaps less bold than the others (certainly less so than the thiolized yeast variant), but it drinks just so damn easy, while still carrying along stupendous layers of flavor.

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    4.37 / +9.8%

    I upped the taste category from 4.00 to 4.25 while thinking about it and going back for more. This one simply works, in a way that more challenging beers can't always quite manage. It's not the most expressive, it's not the most complex, but it's just damn drinkable and with a lovely flavor profile on top, to boot.

    #3 (English ale yeast) pours much brighter, a lemon-yellow color. Nose is significantly earthier, with moderate dankness and distinct notes of pepper and dirty earth. There are juicy notes of pineapple and mango, but they're buried beneath the pungent dankness.

    Given the dankness on the nose, I dove into this one first, wanting to give it a fair shake. It's much juicier on the palate, and the dankness is definitely a little bit restrained, although you can feel it bucking against the reins. (I'm not an equestrian, and not sure that allusion worked. :wink: ) Moderately sweet. Tasting notes of pineapple, mango, and melon lead the way, with tangerine, banana, and cream on the back third.

    Really nice overall profile, but it's likely my least favorite of them all. The overall expression, in particular the dankness, triggers my (very sensitive) gag reflex on almost every sip, which, while not a problem for most (all?) of you, makes it much more difficult for me to really appreciate what's going on here. It's just a touch too "dirty" for my preference.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/28743/646300/?ba=Roguer#lists
    3.7 / -12.7%

    Given my gag reflex, I almost certainly won't finish this one. Every sip is a struggle, and it's not because it tastes bad at all. It's kind of hard to describe if you don't know the experience. It's a very good beer, and your experience will almost certainly be much more positive than mine.
     
  11. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Working my way through the BIF box from @woemad brings me to an interesting take on a NEIPA this afternoon, YaYa Fluffy Puffy Sunshine

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    I was a little weary going into this one with the lack of a canning date, but I was surprised by how fresh this was when I poured it. The nose is very bright, with the tropical fruit notes you expect from the style, but elevated by notes of lemon and pine. It's more rounded in taste, which brings the score down a bit unfortunately, but it's still good for what it is, just more straightforward tropical fruit with light hops to back it up. It's lighter in body than many in the style, making this very drinkable and refreshing. A great beer to start my afternoon

    4.24/5 rDev +3.7%
    look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25
     
  12. NorsemanOne

    NorsemanOne Pooh-Bah (2,331) Sep 17, 2021 Utah
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    No.1 for today and a later start than I would've liked. Courtesy of @WunderLlama's ninja strike.

    Vitamin Sea - Four the Shore (2023)

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    Canned 4.6.23 'best of the shore'

    Poured into a weizen glass at fridge temp.

    Pours a pale pineapple juice yellow with a dense and soft white head, persisted quite a while and left behind a very even lattice lacing. 4.5

    Aroma is some citrus rind, soft and subtle stonefruit from the Nectaron I suspect, and very faint florals. 4

    I get some sweetness in the following; peach, pineapple, passion fruit, as well as some dank almost weedy hops. Really enjoyed this. 4.25

    Body is light with moderate carbo that fades as I near the bottom of the glass. A bit frothy and dry. 4

    Overall a great IPA to start out NBS! 4.25

    Thanks again Maynard!
     
  13. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    I think I did pretty good on #1 and kinda meh on #2...
    For starters, I was fooled into thinking they were from the wrong brewery -- I think it came more from proximity to statements about Schlenkerla than anything else. I could have easily disproven my misconception before opening the beers by Googling the logo on the caps, but consciously avoided that to preserve the mystery.

    Both beers are from Weyermann, in Bamberg, I assume a near neighbor of Schlenkerla (looks like a reasonably good guess -- according to Google, less than a 30 minutes walk from one to the other).

    MB1 is indeed a barleywine (starkbier?). MB2 is a barrel-aged barleywine. There are not many words on the labels, and none of them are English, and I don't speak any German, so I don't know about smoke. My wife absolutely shares my opinion that #2 (the barrel aged one) is smokey as heck. She guessed MB1 was an English Bitter and MB2 was a barleywine.

    Thank you SO MUCH @Ozzylizard, this was tremendously fun (and delicious)!
     
  14. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Thanks for the nice send off. And let me include everyone here in that. Thankyou. When Maria and I were talking over whom to replace us it was your flair for the poetic that made you an obvious nominee. Just like, as you say, my mission in favor of well done, honest reviews made me an obvious nominee for Matt.

    Like you say, see you on the other side.

    But I depend on you guys for my beer fixes, so I will still be reading and enjoying you and all the wonderrful folks here every weekend. And who knows, I may confound rational expectations and outlive my cellar and ***gasp gasp*** have to start buying my one a month beer instead of pulling it from downstairs :grin: The list of new ones I would love to try grows every time I read this thread.
     
  15. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    Hey what's going on?!

    Busy weekend for myself, but a good one. I spent most of the time doing yard work and lots of cycling outdoors. It's been a good weekend for it, however the rains came early afternoon which was fine enough as we need it badly around here.

    Things are blooming and looking good. With that said, cherry season in the DC area is in full swing if gone but Spring still remains. And with that comes the plethora of cherry themed beers.

    What's the latest for our hero??

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    Poured from the can into a wheat ale glass.

    Really nice pour out of the can. Makes a nearly giant hefeweizen foamy rich head, large and billowing, but luckily doesn't and keeps to controlled measures. Still a big rich bright white head and fistful top is created. Quite a decent body too, slightly hazed but not terribly and a golden dark lemon and brown with ample amounts of carbonation. That head manages to stay for a bit too, with some ring like lacing. The beer has a real polished look to it, very nice.

    Fruity and floral sensing on the nose, flirts a little bit with grass and maybe even a touch of yeast like sourness (not sure if that is intentional). Chewy sensing, also notes of waxy honey a bit too.

    Palate is unexpected but in a good way. A very hop biting forward brew, with some real neat surprises. Chewy excellent wheaty body, with a mid palate hop forward in florals and green bitterness. Finishes with banana and some more pine like action, with good malt density. There's almost a candy like quality to this hinting of taffy but without the sweetness.

    Pretty neat and unexpected for this brew, wasn't sure what direction it would go in, but the result is quite solid. This is quite hop bitter in that realm but in a good way, but if that's not your thing you may want to steer clear.

    look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4 | BA Generated Score: 4.02


    Cheers!
     
  16. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Drekker Graveyard BRAAAAAAAAins Double Fruit Smoothie Sour, 6.4% ABV. Pours thick and opaque medium red with a three-finger pink head that left puree residue. Nose is vanilla and a fruit mashup. Taste follows, strawberry forward but pretty much a mashup of six fruits (blackberry, raspberry, strawberry, guava, pineapple, mango), quite sweet, slightly tart, salt on the close. Excellent thick and creamy mouthfeel, overall outstanding. One of their better fruit smoothie sours, if a bit busy.

    4.45/5 rDev +2.3%
    look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

    Nice spring day to get a few things done outside and do some grilling. Got the cars washed, Christmas lights down, etc. Gumbo in the crock for supper, smelling great inside.

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  17. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    So, as I reviewed the entire original 6-beer run of Tree House's Data Set here on NBW (over the past two weekends), I think it's worth summarizing them and putting them in order, based on my ratings.

    I'm going to go with a natural top 6 count down, from least to most favorite. Hyper links provided to my review for each.

    Data Set #3 (common English ale yeast)
    3.70 / -12.7%

    This was, quite simply, far too dank and pungent for my gag reflex and personal preference. Very earthy and quite juicy. The very pale color was notable. Very unique, and I could see my lowest-rated take in the series being someone else's highest-rated.

    Data Set #1 (Tree House house yeast)
    4.11 / -2.4%


    The OG, such as it is, using Tree House's house yeast as a control or base comparison point. Very juicy, very light, and entirely tropical. Not up to snuff with Tree House's best, but I got the impression that they weren't going for that, instead intending to set up a slightly less expressive base marker for the series than, say, Julius. Really good, but I'm not shocked it came in this low compared to the others.

    Data Set #2 (wild modern yeast)
    4.23 / -0.7%

    This one was really darn nice. 67% of the way through the lineup, I was comfortable suggesting this one sat neatly in the middle of the lineup, and that proved accurate. There was nothing "wild" to the yeast expression in the way you might expect from, say, Brett. It definitely was similar to the thiolized yeast variant, but a bit muted, which fits with the brewer's description. Very, very fruity.

    Data Set #6 (Nordic yeast)
    4.37 / +9.8%

    A bit surprised to come in so high +rDev on this one. Still sipping on it, and enjoying it, as I type up this entry. Perhaps the warmer fermentation the brewer mentions plays into the difference in color. Incredibly drinkable and smooth, with a fruit salad approach to the profile, bringing almost WC IPA flavor notes to a NE IPA. I'm pretty comfortable rating this among the top half of the series, although it's quite unique.

    Data Set #5 (British ale yeast)
    4.54 / +3.9%

    I'm glad they differentiated between British and English ale yeast ( :wink: ), as the latter is a group of islands mostly - but not entirely - united under one rule. Regardless of the specification, Tree House insists that the English ale yeast used for #3 was very close to their house yeast, but I found this one by far the closest match. It was a touch musty on the nose (not entirely like, but not entirely unlike, Brett), but the palate was pure tropical expression with a touch of citrus and bitterness - sound familiar for a Tree House profile? This was excellent, and based purely on personal enjoyment (not individual trait scores), probably my favorite of the series.

    Data Set #4 (thiolized yeast)
    4.56 / +5.3%

    Buuuuut .... individual trait scores matter, and the thiolized yeast variation on the series by far dominated in this area. It was beautiful, but most importantly, absolutely explosive. It came bursting from the glass right from the pour, but that same expansive profile translated to the palate almost seamlessly. I found very little to complain about here, even though it might, in retrospect, have been my third favorite profile overall (behind #5 and #6). It absolutely crushes the concept of the endeavor, standing out so dramatically from the house yeast, and almost entirely in a positive fashion.

    This was fun! It would have been even more fun to do a multi-person side-by-side with 4-8 oz pours, perhaps (but not necessarily) blind, but it definitely worked as a two-at-a-time side-by-side. I encourage anyone interested to try the same, as the results from the different yeast strains is pretty remarkable. That shouldn't be a surprise, honestly, but when a brewery makes its name far more from how they incorporate various hop varietals, the room for yeast expression in the final product is absolutely something one should still appreciate.

    Cheers, Weekenders and lovers of beer!
     
  18. augustgarage

    augustgarage Pooh-Bah (2,703) May 20, 2007 California
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    Something new to me, and surprisingly refreshing on a warm day:

    3.75/5 rDev -3.9%
    look: 4.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

    "Enjoy by October 1st 2023" - doing so on April 23rd, 2023. Poured from a 12oz bottle into a snifter.

    Faintly cloudy persimmon liquid with a dense creamy champagne cap. Fine, sticky, wavy lacing; very good retention.

    Subtle aroma - figs, plums, green raisins along with light vanilla and floral notes.

    Malt forward with hints of caramel and toast. Mild earthy/citrus-y bitterness is subsumed in the bourbon notes which have distinct spirit flavor without the heat. Cherry, vanilla, brown sugar, and floral notes. Low char around the edges of the medium-dry finish. Fairly clean overall - reminds me a little of a Japanese highball or an Old Fashioned on the rocks...

    Medium-bodied, modest carbonation, slightly thin perhaps. Gently warming.

    A restrained strong ale base infused with bourbon flavor but without much heat or barrel character. Almost refreshing which is sort of strange for the style.
     
  19. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    Elevation Beer Co. -- Hop Kid
    Fresh hop India pale ale
    ABV: 6.5%; pouring temperature: 42 °F; canning info: 09062022
    Source: local purchase (Coaltrain Fine Wine, Craft Beer & Spirits)

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    3.68/5 rDev -4.2%
    look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

    Rather cloudy, dirty orange body; sediment dancing around; one-finger thick head, dense and creamy texture. Pleasant smell; herbal with a bit of floral quality; mild cereal grain scent. Okay taste; dull, slightly oxidized citrus flavor; moderate hop bitterness. Medium-heavy body; mildly abrasive on the palate; a bit juicy in character.

    Granted, this fresh hop beer is over seven months old, so I'm sure the smell and taste have waned quite a bit. I'll be looking for a fresher version later this year.

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    ...I knowingly picked this up the other day knowing the beer was passed it's prime...sometimes, my curiosity just gets the better of me...
     
  20. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    So, #16 (MB2) is not smoked -- but it was aged in Ardbeg barrels, according to the brewery, which is amazing -- that means it picked up a *ton* of character from the barrel.

    Haven't found a similar listing for #10 (MB1), the barleywine yet.
     
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