New Beer Weekend #79

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  1. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    @FBarber

    Temperature plays into the haziness of liquids, contributing to the amount of solids that are suspended in solution. Think of how quickly sugar fully dissolves into warm water, but how slowly it may dissolve in much colder water. Sugar is a very simple and familiar example; beer will be more complex, but the principle is the same.

    (More technically, temperature is one trigger that can affect the direction of transfer in a chemical balance (or equilibrium) equation. Some molecules are more readily dissolved into solution; if your balance shifts to favor those molecules, you should get a liquid that is more clear. Conversely, if more of those molecules are now instead becoming different molecules (or free ions, both with potentially different individual charges) that are less soluble, you should get a liquid with more visible particulate. Moreover, higher temperatures increase the rate of chemical reactions - which we, as beer nerds, are all too familiar with when discussing oxidation and the break down of hop acids. Whether this drives a balance favoring dissolution or suspension, I don't know; it depends on the chemicals themselves, and I can't predict which direction is favored by partially soluble ingredients in a "hazy" beer.)

    I can't imagine that would have much of an effect in a Tree House / Tired Hands level of murk bomb, where the beer is completely opaque. However, in a "lesser" hazy (lesser in terms of amount of cloudiness, not quality), that could well contribute to clarity differences between different people's experiences. I doubt that SN and SA, as examples, were aiming for completely turbid with their hazy offerings.

    I also suspect you are right to suggest that it may not be easy to nail that aspect consistently, especially on as large a production scale as Sierra Nevada. You'd certainly expect consistency from SN, though (in general), so I suspect other factors (such as serving temperature) may be more contributing to this one aspect - or perhaps a combination of multiple factors, including others we haven't even suggested yet. (Temperature is not the only factor which affects chemical balance.)

    Then again, I just deliver sandwiches, so take my chemical "expertise" with a grain of NaCl. :wink:
     
  2. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    That's a lot of parentheses. Even some nested ones. But it looks like they're all correctly closed. Result of cursory code review: I think it'll compile.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Did you stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night?

    Cheers!
     
  4. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I prefer to only use brackets (a la @kemoarps ) if I'm on my third set of nesting. For a simple two-step Matryoshka sentence, I prefer to stick with simple parentheses. :wink:
     
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  5. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Nice article here...

    I noticed that the slight cloudiness I saw in Velvet Rush was gone after the beer warmed up, so that waxs a "chill haze". Proteins, phenolic, certain carbohydrates all come into play. In my business (cranberries), phenolic/tannin and carbohydrate interactions are almost always the culprits. Protein involvemen (for us) would mean a massive overdose of enzyme and that never happens <eyes rolling>...

    One missing element in the linked article seems to be processing temperature. Temperature certainly could kick start some undesirable reactions that would lead to unexpected or undesired haze down the road in the finished products. Not only how high a temperature, but for how long and when. The when uis interesting as it can be usefully manipulated. I developed one ingredient using processing tricks that was notorious for unpredictable cloudiness and sediment. By moving the heat treat step in front of final filtration, increasing the temp by five degrees, and fixing hold time at 18 seconds the initial reaction was forced and the filters removed the compounds that created the hazy stuff. Short version, you can play around with stuff to get the desired outcome.

    Sorry...Sunday morning food engineering geek-out...
     
  6. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Good morning, Weekenders! We went to a good friend's house for dinner and beer sharing last night, so I didn't post - but I did have three new-to-me beers!

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    Wandering Into the Fog is an imperial hazy IPA from Abomination Brewing* in North Haven, CT. (According to BA, the beers are contract brewed out, and the company home is in Pennsylvania.) WitF is actually a series of single-hop highlight IIPAs, but this is the base beer - the OG, if you will, hopped with Mosaic, Pacific Jade, Citra, Summit, and Enigma.

    Abomination does hazies well - very well. This is certainly no exception. It's juicy, brightly herbal, and very, very smooth. My only criticism is that the juicy hop notes are a bit of a melange, vice individual tasting notes - tropical fruit notes, but difficult to pick them out individually. I've got three more cans to try out later and see if I can pick anything else out.

    4.25 / 4 / 4 / 4.5 / 4.25
    4.12 / -4.4%

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    Midnight Snack, another Abomination offering, is also another series of beers, all pastry stouts. The naming convention can be unclear, as all of the series are simply called "Midnight Snack," and list the ingredients. This one is under the entry of Pumpkin Pie Cheesecake, which isn't exactly the ingredient list (cheesecake, vanilla beans, cacao nibs, and pumpkin spices), but close enough.

    This is a legit, no-doubt, motherforking pastry stout.

    The pumpkin pie spices aren't over the top. It's rich, decadent, and chocolatey. It's like drinking a brownie. The cheesecake undoubtedly contributes to the creaminess and fullness. The front third of the sip is a little deceptive - not bland, but not explosive. Then all of a sudden: dessert, motherforker!

    This was delightful. I'll definitely try more of the series.

    4 / 3.25 / 4.5 / 4.25 / 4.25
    4.1 / -4.0%

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    Tree House Jjjuiceee Machine is, predictably, their amped up version of Juice Machine (which is a beer I found quite impressive), befitting their naming nomenclature. It can make it difficult to pronounce (Triple J Juice Machine? Juh-juh-joo-seeee Machine?), but they usually taste really damn good.

    This one is a bit of a let down, which speaks less to its execution than my expectations. Quite simply, in my opinion, it's not better than the original. (On a previous NBW, I conducted a side-by-side of Tree House variants, verifying that while such takes are obviously very similar, there are indeed differences.)

    Is it good? Oh, of course! The mouthfeel is crisper and less smooth than I expect from Tree House, however, and like WitF (above), the juicy hop expressions are a bit of a melange instead of individual tones. (Trip-J Oos Trip-E Machine has much more citrus along with the tropical than that beer, however.)

    Still very, very good, but not my favorite from Tree House.

    3.5 / 4 / 4 / 4.25 / 4
    4.0 / -12.5%

    Cheers - back in a few moments with today's first new beer! :grinning:

    *Go to their website and check out their labels. I'm serious. It looks like they were drawn for death metal bands (and some atmospheric black metal bands). Reminiscent of Nightmare and Burial.
     
  7. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Oh yeah, I didn't mean to imply that serving temperature was the only time temperature influence came into play. Shipping and storage temperature certainly matter, as well. I'd imagine that in the case of Sierra Nevada, temperature control at every step of the brewing process is going to be consistent between batches - but what happens between canning that beer, and pouring a glass, is another story.

    You provided a great example of how a brewery might tweak their process to intentionally produce more - or less - haze in their beer. :slight_smile:
     
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  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, that could be the reason the brewery or the importer (Amtec, Int'l) chose that wording but the TTB labeling regulations wouldn't have required it. The beer was imported as under the "Class/Type 955 - Porter" and the TTB definition (like every other beer types) does not specify type of yeast:
    When the TTB does require a beer to be labeled a "____-type" is usually for a beer style name is derived from a specific place.
    Many US brewed Porters over the years were brewed with lager yeast, of course - Yuengling Porter being one of the survivors.
     
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  9. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Good morning, Weekenders! As promised, I'm back! @SawDog505 promised I'd like this next one. :wink:

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    Evil Twin has always made outstanding imperial stouts. Back before throwing a ton of additives into the mix was in vogue, Jeppe was releasing take after take after take on imperial stouts (Russian and American), many of which had no additives. Naively, you could be excused for wondering, "Just how different can all of these imperial stouts actually be?"

    (And that's before you get into the flavored series of stouts.)

    Christmas Eve at a New York City Hotel Room was one such non-flavored* stout. I wasn't a huge fan of that beer, preferring the much roastier Even More Jesus and, especially, Lil' B - and Imperial Biscotti Break, although that one isn't a "pure" stout. Still, the first Christmas Eve ... is a very good beer.

    Anyhoo, I was about to pick up a 4-pack of CEaaNYCHR (Evil Twin, look into my eyes .... screw you), the first time I've seen it in cans, when I noticed: this is the Royal Suite Edition.

    What makes this take befitting the royal suite, you might ask?

    The addition of coconut, cocoa nibs, vanilla, and marshmallows, naturally. Because the difference between peasant stouts and royal stouts is obviously how much junk you can toss into your beer. :wink:

    All sarcasm aside, I love flavored stouts - when done well. I can more appreciate a beer that can evoke different flavors without needing to literally add the actual flavor: chocolate and coffee from your malt selection, banana and clove from your yeast strain, orange and mango from your varietal, et al. It doesn't mean don't add chocolate, or fruit, or spices; it just means that it can be kind of a cheat code or shortcut to brewing great beer if you just dump vanilla and chocolate into it.

    So the best flavored stouts, IMO, are the ones that are great beers first and foremost, the added ingredients simply taking it to another level.

    This is one of those beers, with a lovely and balanced marriage between the base stout and the additives. The coconut isn't over the top, adding primarily a nice accent at the end of the sip; the vanilla adds a touch of sweetness, but mostly a rich creaminess to the proceedings; the chocolate gives you the full range of expression - from semi-sweet to bitter to dry and powdery - all melding perfectly with the malt base.

    The nose may scream "pastry stout!" but, while full bodied, it isn't quite as thick or chewy as that might suggest. It's somewhere in between imperial flavored stout and pastry stout for me, perhaps leaning slightly toward the latter, but not fully committed.

    Full tasting notes include:
    Up front - toast, molasses, caramel, roast, nuts, and red grape.
    Mid sip - lots and lots of chocolate, along with wine-like notes of cherry and red grape in the middle. (The cherry flavor is reminding me of @Smakawhat 's review!)
    Finish - a touch of coconut, amplified by vanilla, along with moderate roasty bitterness. Lingering, lip-smacking finish.

    This is a great beer! It's not TEH BESTEST EVAR, but I do think it is both an amplification of and improvement on the OG NYC Hotel Room. Really, that's what I'm looking for in a flavored stout: not a shortcut, not a cheat code, but taking an already solid beer to another level.

    I'd call that a success in this case.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/24300/576003/?ba=Roguer#lists
    4.37 / +1.4%

    Holy crap, a +rDev (albeit a very small one)!

    Cheers!

    *(As I have expressed in the past, I dislike the irrational avoidance of "adjunct," as "non-flavored" implies that there is nothing added for flavor, which is ridiculous. Hops, malt, yeast strains, are all selected for flavor, so there's no such thing as a non-flavored beer. Additives hardly covers it, either, as additives are simply things that are added, which could include different or additional hop varietals. If only a word existed that perfectly described something which is added as a supplementary rather than essential part - in the case of beer, something not necessary for the base style. But I guess we'll just have to be content to live in a world where such a word doesn't exist. :wink: )
     
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  10. Roy_Hobbs

    Roy_Hobbs Pooh-Bah (2,623) Jan 21, 2017 Connecticut
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    First up for me is this can of BA20 Vol. 2: Amburilla from Oskar Blues. This was sent my way by @adrock314 last year as part of a FPL (Fantasy Premier League) BIF. For some of us, our nerdiness is not restricted to only beer.

    Anyway, the last Oskar Blues beer I reviewed (Ten Fidy - Jahvanilla), also sent to me by @adrock314, was freaking amazing. Let's see if I enjoy this one as much.
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    look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.25
    by Roy_Hobbs from Connecticut

    Poured at 48 degrees into a tulip. Appearance is a dark, dark brown that is fully opaque. Decent amount of medium density dark tan colored head with solid retention. Once fully settled into the glass, the residual cap an lacing make for an attractive beer.

    Aroma is reflective of the underlying ingredients (base stout, vanilla, ginger). The combination is interesting, but not overly inviting. I think it's the ginger that's throwing me off a bit. I can't detect any barrel notes on the nose.

    Taste is very ginger forward, creating a bit of an imbalance in the overall flavor profile. I think I'm detecting some heat from the bourbon barrels, but some of that is likely attributed to the ginger. The vanilla is there, but muted. Perhaps most importantly, the underlying base stout is essentially overwhelmed by the adjuncts.

    Medium bodied with a little too much in the way of warmth. Whether that's from the booze, the barrels or the ginger I can't say (likely all three)

    Overall, an interesting beer I'm glad I got to try, but not my favorite. Vanilla and ginger are two ingredients that (to my tastes) require a very deft touch. This may have been what the brewer intended, but it's too ginger forward for my tastes.

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    Andrew, I agree with you whole heartedly. With this particular beer, I couldn't even taste the base stout to any meaningful degree.
     
  11. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Yes. Kate the Great and the New England and Smuttynose legacy is enough for me. Those were great beers that may still be ahead of the times. Finest Kind was stellar and an exemplar of what has followed. Even had the haze and floaties.......
     
  12. SABERG

    SABERG Grand Pooh-Bah (5,001) Sep 16, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Good afternoon NBS/nbw and again thanks @JackHorzempa for hosting this weekend.
    Todays offering is from our very good friends at Cambridge Brewing Company.
    Benevolence was assembled for thier 30th Anniversary., Described as a Dark Strong Wild ale with raisins. Well all thats in there for sure. The offering is complex, dark fruit, barrel funk, low carbonation, with a well hidden 13% ABV
    Cheers
    Benevolence

    Wild Ale | 13.5% ABV
    Cambridge Brewing Company in Cambridge, Massachusetts

    4.19/5 rDev -2.8% | Average: 4.31
    look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4
    by SABERG from Massachusetts

    Poured from the 375 ml bottle, cage and cork. Opened with a slight hiss, poured at fridge temp.
    A - Dark mahagony color, intirguing view of the carbonation as it slowly crawls up the glass interior. A thin ring is a constant presence during the experience.
    S - Sherry, Banyuls wine aged, some balsamic vinegar. Bourbon barrel elements, with vanilla are a nice addition.
    T - Well, theres all from the aromatics with more dark fruit, raisin, fig, dark cherry skins. A thread of barrel funk in the best way.
    M - A sweet start is quickly balanced with beautiful acidity, That fortified wine feeling, with an alcohol exhale acts as the drying agent. Surprisingly delicate in body, avoids being on the syrup side. Texture is outstanding.
    O - A truly delightful sipper, Flanders, meets lambic, meets Port. My only regret is not having more in he basement.
    I bet this will be in the appertif realm in a year or so.
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  13. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    So, I bought a new beer yesterday, and it's something I never thought I would do. I bought a N/A beer to try based on what people were saying in the N/A beer tasting thread. I found one N/A beer I think I will try to have on hand thanks to that tasting, will this Sam Adams offering be another?

    If you followed that thread, you know a lot of people mentioned a non-specific "non-alcoholic flavor" that quite a few tried to put a finger on, including me. In my mind, it comes as a significant detriment to low alcohol beers claiming to be IPAs - the flavor with the uncontested bitterness just doesn't work for me.

    So of course, I decided to risk further punishment with Just the Haze, an IPA. What is wrong with me?
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    In my defense, a couple people in the N/A thread said this didn't have much to any of "that flavor," so I had to find out. In pouring the beer, I thought I noted it hitting my nose, but it wasn't too strong. Just the Haze had a nice heavy haze without being murky, and a nice frothy head. There was a little more citrus than tropical in the nose, and definitely the cardboard leaning vegetal note of a N/A beer.

    *gulp* -- not of beer, but of fear...

    First sip on a still very cold beer brought light citrus and some melon, with a prickly combination of chill and carbonation. Cringingly I awaited "the note" I knew would consume me, and...

    It just slunk on by. As the beer warmed, I took note that it seemed there was a floor of damp cardboard throughout the second half of the taste, but it was thankfully subtle. The beer isn't too bitter, and I think that helps. There's an earthy to slightly minty note in back where other IPAs bring hops that seem to multiply the N/A effect.

    The opening fruitiness is nothing like you get in a nicely made regular hazy IPA, but it is vaguely reminiscent of it, at least. The beer puffs itself up a little bit to not seem too light and watery, but it isn't going to coat your mouth and fill your palate.

    So, overall, this is an acceptable N/A beer to me. It is fairly simplistic, but at least has some character, unlike the O'Doul's I tried last weekend (which lacked just about everything, good and bad). Like Athletic's All Out, I could see putting this in the fridge for a dry or near-dry week.
     
  14. Blogjackets

    Blogjackets Grand Pooh-Bah (4,816) Nov 22, 2017 Ohio
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    Cone & Bine from Wolf's Ridge

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    Solid wet hopped IPA that features a prominent hoppiness without much bitterness making this beer a super easy drinker. Poured from a pint can, this beer is at 7.6% ABV and features citra, simcoe and cascade hops.

    Beer pours a slightly murky orange-yellow. Nose was a nice citrus that carried throughout the tasting. Head was good and nice lacing. Taste follows nose and one gets a nice hit of hoppy goodness. The backend smoothly drops off. No significant bitter bite.

    Overall this one was a pleasant beer. In fairness, my can was likely over two months old. Next year I’ll seek it out to catch it in its prime.
     
  15. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Dang. I haven't seen Banyuls referred to since maybe an old Wine Spectator or somewhere in Ernest Hemingway's work. I had a bottle around for years and finally really loved it. Liquid and velvety anise oriented rich black not too sweet unctious greatness. Lip smackingly memorable.
     
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  16. SawDog505

    SawDog505 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,922) Apr 9, 2010 New Hampshire
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    [​IMG] Poured into a 13 oz Teku glass canned on 12/09/21. Pours a very attractive orange yellow with a finger plus sticky white head, that leaves gobs of thick lace with excellent retention. 4.5

    Aroma papaya, tangerine, white grapes, blueberry, apricot, and grapefruit rind. 4.5

    Taste follows papaya, tangerine, white grapes, blueberry, apricot, and a little grapefruit bitterness. 4.5

    Mouthfeel is above average, maybe a little sticky, soft gentle carbonation, and at 8% ABV really easy going down, but loaded with flavor. 4.5

    Overall my first beer from Blaze Brewing Company and really impressed. Will be looking for more from them. 4.5 Cheers all.
     
  17. Blogjackets

    Blogjackets Grand Pooh-Bah (4,816) Nov 22, 2017 Ohio
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    Pyrography from Jackie O’s

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    A wonderful beer for barrel aged stout fans who like rye. A sipper as it’s a powerful beer at 14.6% ABV, but this stout significantly obscures the ABV.

    12.7 ounce bottle. This gem pours dark as motor oil. Mouthfeel is decadent without being cloying. Almost buttery. Little head and virtually no lacing. Carbonation is mild at best.

    The nose is rye and chocolate malts partnered with the bourbon barrel. I’d buy an air freshener made to mimic this beer. The taste follow the nose and the rye takes a half-step back as the barrel moves up. Decadent. 19 months in bourbon casks worked their magic. I’ll be seeking this out again.
     
  18. dennisthreeninefiveone

    dennisthreeninefiveone Pundit (980) Aug 11, 2020 New Jersey
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    At Twin Elephant Brewing drinking Old Raritan an 11.4 ABV Imperial Milk Porter with a addd flavors. I’m not big on added flavors but this brew was praised by @MacMalt BA whose opinion I respect. The 1st 3 added flavors common coffee, vanilla and cinnamon. The forth added flavor is from a habanero pumpkin pepper developed at Rutgers University. The beer pours black with a dark brown head. The aroma is about what you would expect chocolate malt. The taste starts with malt, coffee, vanilla and the cinnamon. At the back of the mouth the the pepper takes over with a intense but pleasant burn. The mouthfeel is full the finish is a lasting burn. Overall a pleasant change of pace but not an everyday drinker.
     
  19. Blogjackets

    Blogjackets Grand Pooh-Bah (4,816) Nov 22, 2017 Ohio
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    Einstock Toasted Porter

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    Solid Baltic porter from our friends in Iceland. 6% ABV makes it an approachable choice for those seeking a porter fix.

    Poured from a 12 ounce can, the body was a pleasant dark brown. Minor head with insignificant lacing.

    Toasted malts are up front in aroma and taste as expected. Notes of chocolate make this porter a pleasant drink. Mouthfeel was intentionally made on the light side due to their use of lager yeast and left me wishing that had been boosted. Hard to argue with their intentions, but my personal preference is for a bit more heft in my porters like in GLBC Edmund Fitzgerald or Founders Porter.

    Overall a good beer that I’d love to try on tap.
     
  20. Roy_Hobbs

    Roy_Hobbs Pooh-Bah (2,623) Jan 21, 2017 Connecticut
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    @sulldaddy hooked me up with some good beers this last summer. I'm finally getting around to this last one, which I've been eyeing up for some time. This is Saison Delivery from free will brewing co. It's a Foudre-aged dark saison ale with grains of paradise and apples added.
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    Pours an interesting root beer brown. Once in the glass it maintains a general root beer vibe, with some red hues around the edges. Some fizzy short-lived head. Aroma is wild and sweet, which makes for a funky mix. I can definitely pick up some of the underlying saison, but the richness that goes with it is very different.

    Taste is really interesting. The early notes have a distinct farmhouse / saison feel, which evolves significantly over its very long finish. Individual notes of oak, grain & apple become apparent, but almost at a different time with each sip. I'm not getting the sweetness I got on the nose, but there is a mild candy taste.

    This is a very unique and interesting beer.
     
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