New Belgium Coconut Curry Hefe- update

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by SatlyMalty, Sep 18, 2013.

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  1. SatlyMalty

    SatlyMalty Initiate (0) Sep 12, 2012 Washington

    I didn't start the original thread (since deleted) concerning this beer but did want to give an update on my interaction with New Belgium.

    First I want to say that I don't feel that I was participating in a thinly veiled New Belgium hate thread.
    It was a thread started by someone who had a real experience with a bad bottle of beer. I had the same experience. Perhaps the thread title was in poor choice.

    I'm very fond of what New Belgium does and how they operate. They take very good care of their employees (who are also now owners!) and are frequently brought up as one of the best companies to work for (in the beer industry or otherwise). In addition my experience with them through email was outstanding. They responded quickly and addressed my concerns with respect. Kudos!

    Concerning the clumps stuck to the underside of my cap and throughout the beer- they responded that the coconut oil that they used to brew this beer has had a tendency to clump together with time (yes, I know, a lot of you stated something similar). Their guess as to the terrible aroma and taste was abuse of the bottle somewhere between their brewery and my hands. New Belgium stated that extreme temperatures can lead to off flavors in some of their beers. My guess is that the ingredients in this beer are much more volatile than other beers in the marketplace. I am certain that if any of you drank the same beer that I did you would have felt there was a problem too.
     
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  2. Peter_Wolfe

    Peter_Wolfe Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2013 Oregon

    As someone who has used coconut in the distant past when homebrewing and later learned the science behind its staling, they were probably right that it was abused. Coconut oil has a lot of short and medium chain fatty acids, which about 9% of are unsaturated. That portion can undergo lipid peroxidation when the beer stales, especially if there's O2 or temperature abuse.

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    That process is self-propagating once it starts and eventually creates a lot of nasty off-flavors (the lipid can break where it was oxidized and create a volatile aldehyde). If they toasted the coconut before using it in the beer then they probably jump-started it.

    The eventual flavor depends on the length of the fatty acid. Barley fats are usually really long (like linoleic acid) and they make the paper/cardboard flavor we're all familiar with in staled/oxidized lagers. The shorter fatty acids in coconut oil however, make really nasty flavors in comparison.

    Coconut in a fresh stout (not what NB made, I know) is great as long as you drink it right away!
     
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  3. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    This is a much more appropriate way to deal with suspicions of a bad or infected bottle than the way the other poster did it. Not only did he fail to contact the brewery and get a response prior to posting his thread, but the title of the thread implied there was ZERO doubt as to whether or not there was an infection problem.

    That is just irresponsible, even if the beer he had was absolutely disgusting.

    I have a bottle of this that I hadn't found the right opportunity to open, but I may try it sooner than later given the concerns about the volatile ingredients and the coconut oil change over time.
     
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  4. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    I tried the beer a few weeks ago. I never had any chunks in it, but it did have this plasticky aftertaste, I assume phenols. The beer itself was great, but the aftertaste was too much, so I was forced to drain-pour it.
     
  5. HoodooOperator

    HoodooOperator Initiate (0) Sep 27, 2012 Texas

    That just sounds like ass
     
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