New Brewer Question: Adding water post-boil?

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  1. irv2424

    irv2424 Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2011 Massachusetts

    Hey everyone - Long time BA drinker, now looking to get more serious about homebrewing. I have helped friends brew over the years and now have started to buy my own basic equipment.

    As I get ready to do my first beer, one thing that has irked me thus far: adding water post-boil (to get up to 5 gallons) with no mention of boiling it. Wouldn't un-boiled tap/bottled water infect the beer? If not, why? I hate asking questions I know have probably been answered a ton of times but can't seem to find a solid answer. My apologies in advance but I have seen people just seem to say it's fine with no clear explanation.

    Example below from one of Keystone's Extract Kit recipes:

    After 60 minutes of boiling, place the finishing hops in 2 muslin bags (2 oz. per bag), add them to the pot, and turn off the heat. Put a lid on your pot and let the kettle rest for 30 minutes before cooling. If you have the ability to whirlpool the wort, now would be the time.

    After 30 minutes of resting, cool the pot in an ice bath (use your sink) as quickly as possible. Remove the hop bags from the pot. 9. Pour 2 gallons of cold water into your sanitized fermenter, add the cooled wort (the stuff in your pot), and top up with additional water to 5 gallons. Aerate the wort with vigorous stirring, rocking the fermenter, etc. Make sure the wort is below 80°F before adding yeast. Take a hydrometer reading and add the yeast.


    http://www.keystonehomebrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/HT-Heady-Topper.pdf

    Any help/explanation is appreciated!

    Cheers,
    Irv2424
     
    #1 irv2424, Dec 30, 2015
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  2. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Your intuition serves you well. Best practice would be to use previously boiled water or sealed bottles of distilled water for topping up post boil if you're doing a partial boil.
     
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  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, it's best to boil your top-off water if possible. It's even better to do a full wort boil (all of your water goes into one big kettle) and not to have to top off.
     
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  4. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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  5. AlHounos

    AlHounos Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2015 California

    You could also simply boil the full volume from 60 minutes if you have a big enough kettle. This will extract bitterness more efficiently from the hops, and it could prevent unwanted caramelization that can happen with high gravity partial boils.

    Also, you could just do a half batch, never a bad idea for your first few brews. 5 gallons is about two cases of beer, that's an awful lot to choke down if something goes wrong. Twice the practice from the same kit.

    Finally, I'd really suggest not brewing an 8% beer, with a notoriously tricky liquid yeast no less, for your first brew. I know you don't want to hear this, but think seriously about using the ingredients from that kit to make simple 5% pale ale with a dry yeast like US05. High gravity beers require more knowledge, technique and special equipment than any new brewer has.
     
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  6. irv2424

    irv2424 Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2011 Massachusetts

    Awesome, thank you for all the answers. I plan on doing full volume boils (just ordered a 10gal SS pot), but just in case I wanted to make sure I completely understood. The only reason this ever even came up was because I took an "intro to brewing" course a while back at my local homebrew store, and the owner said you could just boil 3 gallons then add tap water afterwards to get up to 5. I asked him about bacteria after and he said it was no problem without a real answer.
     
  7. irv2424

    irv2424 Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2011 Massachusetts

    I do like the idea of half brews, not a bad way to mess around without doing a full batch. I'm usually an IPA/Imp stout fan but the kit I got came with CBW® Sparkling Amber extract, so might test out some ways to spruce it up.
     
  8. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    'Topping up' post-boil doesn't necessarily mean mixing-in a gallon or two of water.
    One might just need enough water to reach the targeted post-boil volume.

    Me ... I let it ride. Quality vs. Volume
    Dilution is not the solution to too much evaporution.
     
  9. irv2424

    irv2424 Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2011 Massachusetts

    That is a much more realistic example, but it sounds like if it's adding 2 gallons or a few cups your best bet is to boil then?
     
  10. DunkelFester

    DunkelFester Zealot (607) Aug 24, 2004 Pennsylvania

    [QUOTE="HerbMeowing, post: 4375953, member: 524034]

    Me ... I let it ride. Quality vs. Volume
    Dilution is not the solution to too much evaporution.[/QUOTE]

    I disagree. There are as many valid reasons to 'dilute' as there are to 'let it ride' - and it certainly needn't be detrimental to quality. My system is pretty damned consistent overall, but my evaporation rate is considerably higher in winter when the relative humidity is very low than it is in the summer. Also, every so often I might try a new grain and get a bump in extract that I didn't see coming. Point is - sometimes the gravity ends up being higher than I want a given style to be, so I'll dilute if I have to to hit my target. It's not about hitting a certain volume. It's about making sure my beer has only as much alcohol in it as I intended. 'More' isn't always 'better'.

    FWIW, I don't boil the water I add. I usually have enough left over in my HLT. It's already been heated to ~ 180F, and it's going into 11 gallons of wort just off boiling. I've never had an issue with infection of any kind.
     
  11. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    If you use bottled spring water just clean/sanitize the outside of the container and inside the spout if it has one, before you pour it in. Did that without any problems.
     
  12. paulaner

    paulaner Zealot (557) Jan 10, 2004 Wisconsin

    Once you get your boil off rate dialed in you can dilute pre-boil to get your pre-boil gravity number hit and don't have to worry about adding anything post-boil, I've always done it this way and it works out for me.
     
  13. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    As with many homebrewing processes, there are 2 sides to this coin; it doesn't always land the with the same side up.

    Features of partial boil: (1) A relatively smaller pot can be used, (2) less power is needed to heat and maintain the boil, (3) less time is needed to cool the boiled wort.

    Features of full boil: (1) higher hop utilization, (2) less darkening of the wort during the boil.

    A partial boil is a perfectly fine way to make beer, especially when one is getting started (and likely doesn't have all the gear one is likely to eventually obtain). Some styles are more difficult to pull off with a partial-boil process, which is the reason most brewers eventually move to full boil. A full boil is also the more natural way to do all grain brewing, although I'll note that partial boil does not necessarily equal extract based brewing, while full boil does not necessarily equal all-grain brewing.

    I'll also add that back in the day when I did partial-mash + partial-boil brewing, I'd simply top off with my (municipal) tap water; this never caused an infection. I would guess that most municipal water supplies are sanitary enough to add directly to a fermenter -- that is the point of the chlorine/chloramine. I do suggest treating with Campden to remove the chlorine/chloramine before adding to the fermenter. Sure, you can boil and cool the top-off water, but it likely won't make your beer any better, and it will take more time and attention during the brewing day.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Boil then cool or used bottled water would be my approach regardless of the top-up volume.
     
  15. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I didn't see anyone mention this yet, but be sure to mix that water well before you take your original gravity measurement or you could get a false low reading of mostly water since it will be on top of the wort.
     
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