New Brewer Questions

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by tjumfrid, Jun 11, 2014.

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  1. tjumfrid

    tjumfrid Initiate (0) Jun 15, 2013 Arizona

    Bought my homebrew equipment today, and am really excited about brewing in the next day or two. I'm thinking how I might be able to keep it all cool during fermentation (summertime in Phoenix)..I'll probably go with the big bucket filled with water/ice and wrapped in t-shirt deal. I got two questions..

    #1 Does it matter what kind of ice and water I fill the tub with? I can assume that the water and ice I use to fill the tub that will surround the fermenting beer won't get in the beer itself, so does it matter?

    #2 If a recipe will make 52 12 ounce bottles of beer but I only want to make half that amount, can I just cut the recipe in half? Would that work?

    Thanks for the answers in advance!
     
  2. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Yes to halving the recipe. If you were planning on pitching one vial of yeast, pitch the whole thing in the otherwise halved batch. Single vials are often lower than the desirable cell count for a 5 gallon batch. However,if you had plans to make a starter, stick with the plan; it's a good practice.

    Ice and water from your tap would be fine for the tub. Do you have a plan to monitor the temp, adding or removing ice, so that you keep it in the yeast's ideal spot? I wouldn't just wing it and hope for the best unless you already know what temp the water bath will maintain.
     
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  3. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    One thing to keep in mind with halving the batch is that you will boil off the same amount of water, if not more. Not a big deal if you are topping off with distilled or pre-sanitized water to hit your volume (ie partial boil)

    Another thing to keep in mind is that brewing a batch of beer from start to finish is a lot of work, and pretty much the same effort for 5 gal as 2.5 gal. Coming out of it with a single case of beer might be a bit of a let down once you realize that every single long lost friend is going to want to sample the product. Or, if you're anything like me, anywhere form 1 to 4 bottles will disappear before they are fully ready to go...
     
  4. tjumfrid

    tjumfrid Initiate (0) Jun 15, 2013 Arizona

    Thanks for helpful replies..

    Pweis- I do have a thermometer which I could use to test temps, and I was playing on dropping ice periodically to maintain the lower temperature. I hope this works. I may think about getting a fridge later on once I've been brewing for a while.

    Curt- You make a good point, there are always people willing to take a few beers off your hands. I'm just worried about storing that many bottles of beer at one time. Drink 'em quickly will be the way to go.
     
  5. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    One question I have for you, do you have a smaller carboy, ideally 3 gallon? A 5 gallon carboy for a half batch is going to have about 3 gallons of head space. Seems like oxidation to me once you're in secondary.
     
  6. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    Switch the t-shirt out from time to time or you will get mold.
     
  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    It doesn't sound like the OP needs to use a secondary fermentor. He should be okay with just a primary before bottling.
     
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  8. flagmantho

    flagmantho Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,674) Feb 19, 2009 Washington
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    As far as icing your containment tub, I have found it super convenient to mostly-fill some 2-liter bottles of water and freeze them; that way, you can switch them out as-needed without increasing the volume of water in your tub each time you add ice. Smaller bottles work too, of course, if they are all that will fit in your tub.

    I have 4 2-liters so I can double-ice if necessary and switch out every 12 hours. Phoenix temps will be rough, but I assume your place has air conditioning.
     
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  9. ThomP

    ThomP Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2007 Texas

    Just to add to Flagmantho, I make a mix og 16 oz and 2 liter bottles for cooling the "tub". Right now it is 102 outside and my German Wiesen is sitting at 62. But do watch your temps, mine got to 48 cause I misread the thermometer and added too much cold. It was at that moment it occurred to me, I can lager in the cooler contraption of mine.
     
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  10. DblDiamond

    DblDiamond Pundit (785) Jul 17, 2013 Arizona
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    I too live in the Phx area. I have an ipa batch dry hopping now. I kept it right around 66-68 during fermentation using an oil pan with a tshirt. Fingers crossed!
     
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  11. ThomP

    ThomP Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2007 Texas

    You have heard of people putting a collar on a chest freezer to fit fermentors and kegs? I did that to an igloo cooler, used 1x6 or so and raised the lid, cut a hole in the top so my airlock sticks out and I get really good temp control on the cheap.
     
  12. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I want to emphasize what @Mothergoose03 said above, you should probably not be doing a secondary fermentation, and so there is little reason to worry about a large headspace. But actually, by my calculation, you'll get nearly 5 gallons even after halving this recipe, right? How big is your bucket? If it's like a 7-gallon bucket (or bigger), then I think you're all set, and you shouldn't try to use a smaller fermenter.

    [Edited to clarify: you should care about your headspace, but only because it might be too SMALL, not too large.]
     
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  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What info from the OP allowed you to calculate a batch size?
     
  14. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Well, I guess I did the math wrong, but the OP referred to a recipe that would yield 52 12 ounce bottles of beer. 52 × 12 = 624 ounces = 4.875 gallons. I must have forgotten to divide by 2, which is why I thought the halved recipe would yield almost 5 gallons (when really the original recipe would yield that amount [edited to add: and the halved recipe would of course yield half that amount, or about 2.5 gallons]).

    But my advice is unaffected: if you are only doing a primary fermentation, then it would be awfully difficult to have too large a headspace. The primary fermentation will produce ample carbon dioxide to fill almost any headspace, and if you bottle within 2-4 weeks there shouldn't be a problem with oxygenation. Racking to secondary is different because there won't be much carbon dioxide production to fill the headspace and keep oxygen at bay.
     
  15. tjumfrid

    tjumfrid Initiate (0) Jun 15, 2013 Arizona

    Thanks everyone for the replies. Minderbender; you're right, I'm only doing primary, not gunna bother with secondary until I get a few brews under my belt.
     
  16. tjumfrid

    tjumfrid Initiate (0) Jun 15, 2013 Arizona

    Well, boiling is done and I've been waiting for about an hour or so for the temp to get to pitching levels (I've been putting two 1 gallon frozen bottles of water into the surrounding water every 20 minutes or so). This sure takes a long time.
    Anyways, two horrific things happened while brewing so far (which of course I'll learn from in the future):

    I used the water jugs that you have to pull the spigot out after piercing the top. The cold water jug I poured into the boiled wort wasn't made very well apparently and the entire spigot pulled off and the water then flowed over my hand and into the wort. I had sanitized my hand 1-2 minutes prior, but still.....:slight_frown:.

    Also, when attempted to put the airlock into the hole of the top of the bucket, the rubber stopper popped off and fell into the wort. I couldn't find the stopper with the spoon I had so I then sanitized my arm, and stuck it into the wort to dig out the stopper.

    That sounds like a lot of horrible things..hopefully no contamination occurs but wouldn't be surprised either. Won't happen again.
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Chances are very good that it will be fine.
     
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  18. tjumfrid

    tjumfrid Initiate (0) Jun 15, 2013 Arizona

    Great, I hope so! Just pitched the yeast at about 73 degrees. If I want to keep checking temp, do I need to keep a sanitizer solution around and dip the thermometer in that before I check the beer or at this point can I just test the surrounding ice water instead?
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I wouldn't recommend using a dip thermometer for this long term. In the absence of a thermowell and temp probe (expensive), a stick-on "fermometer" (very cheap) would work pretty well. Measuring the temp of the ice water bath would be pointless.
     
  20. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Lol everyone has to do this at least once.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you transferred into your fermenter before chilling the wort. This isn't terrible but generally the idea is to chill the wort then transfer it to the fermenter. When you chill the beer, some stuff precipitates out and ideally you want as little of that in the fermenter. And 2 one gallon frozen bottles is way too little. You need lots of ice if you are going to cool 5 gallons. If you did a partial boil you can more easily cool that with ice before topping off.
     
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