New Brewing System Strategy, Hypothetically

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Suppose you're switching to a new all-grain system. Maybe you got a cooler and you're going all grain, maybe you're trying BIAB, maybe it's HERMS, RIMS, whatever*...

    What sort of things do you check out before your first batch? You know, kicking the tires and such, getting to know the system...
    Is there a go to recipe you are going to try the first time around? Or the first several times around?
    Are there aspects of the process that you will pay extra special attention to on brew day?

    What's your strategy for learning the ins and outs of the new system?

    *this post partly inspired by @ghostinthemachine 's all-grain troubleshooting post
     
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  2. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Make a batch and have low expectations.

    Keep detailed notes throughout.
     
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  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Well first would be a complete cleaning and sterilizing of all new equiptment. Manufacturing processes sometimes use oil,grease,graphite or other substances to fashion new metal parts and I'd want it off.
    All connections,hoses or piping and gaskets would be checked cause sometimes parts come damaged or a gasket was not supplied or installed properly.
    I would not brew a big beer because of any unknown quirk in the mash tun ,sparging or the boil. Probably just a simple pale ale constantly monitoring temp and efficiency.
     
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  4. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I would jump in and learn on the fly!
     
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  5. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    I currently am dealing with this obstacle. I should be done wiring my electrical panel this weekend and will do a full water test run before I run a batch through it. I think that for my first beer, I'm going to make something like a pale ale to gear up for the summer and to try and work the kinks out.
     
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  6. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    No idea, I still have some equipment that is 16 years old.
     
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  7. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    agree with the fellow VTer and go with an imaginary brew run of cleaning solution like oxyclean…that's what I did the first time testing out my brew system.
    Unfortunately subsequently when I did do a first brew, I still hadn't fully figured out my RIMS tube PID controller and had it turned off and was just running it on manual. I ended up blowing up some silicon tubing as I had my RIMS tube turned on without my pump running and the liquid in the RIMS tube started boiling. A loud boom of silicon tubing popping...
     
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  8. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I would pick a tried and true recipe, ideally something simple. Here you know the expected efficiency and should have some tasting notes to fall back on. I would not mess with water or yeast or ferm temps from previous iterations. The goal would be to standardize the brew with the only variable being the new "whatever".

    And if you don't have exploding silicon tubing you will have surpassed @telejunkie :slight_smile:.
     
  9. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I do a water run first to figure out my dead spaces, then I would do one of my standard brews that I know how it should turn out already.
     
  10. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    First recipe would be a simple low gravity saison, why spend lots on malt or hops when a little yeast will give a ton of flavor. 2nd brew would also be a simple saison for the same reason, but I really like saisons in the 1045 range :slight_smile:
     
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  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I was thinking the same thing. But if you are testing out a new kettle, you also want to know how it handles a large mass of hops. I would go low OG Saison, then maybe a hoppy APA.
     
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  12. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    After further review, my second beer would be a hoppy saison in 1045-50 range so I could see what happened with a metric buttload of FO hops :slight_smile:
     
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  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Test all spigots and hoses for leaks, test circulation, test temperature control, all using water. Add cleanser to water and continue circulating. Drain, add more water and repeat a few times to rinse.

    A good choice for a first batch might be Scottish export, which could become a 70 or 60 shilling if I didn't get the anticipated mash efficiency. I suppose a similar game could be played with strong bitter vs ordinary bitter or IPA and APA, brown ale and mild. Have a Plan A and Plan B, check extract efficiency after the mash and adjust kettle hops according to a desirable BU:GU. Choose a light colored beer to help you assess clarity. Choose something you brewed before, recently, for sensory comparisons. Brew something you really like to drink, because you may want to test your ability to replicate your efforts.
     
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  14. DrewF

    DrewF Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2010 Pennsylvania

    I went through this exercise a couple of years ago going from an infusion-heated cooler to a direct-heated HERMS system. Good feedback above; I would add the following:

    1) To determine the new system parameters, super accurate measurements to for the first few batches are important. I did full volume no-sparges (mostly still do) because measuring sparge water with a sight glass isn't measuring at all. Also measured pre-boil volume, post-boil volume, and leftover wort in MLT, kettle and chiller. Computed grain/hop absorption and found the defaults I used for years were wrong.
    2) If you're building a HERMS system, add some food coloring to the first wet test to ensure no seepage of wort into the HLT.
     
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  15. Benigail

    Benigail Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2016 Massachusetts

    When I first wanted to try all grain, or high gravity, or anything "experimental", I just started with 1-gallon batches. Its for the cost, really - I hated the idea of having to dump a messed up 5-gallon batch of Russian Imperial Stout in case I messed up, that would be a small fortune. Plus, my boil pot has no problem handling the grain for making a 1-gallon BIAB - and now I know that until I upgrade, that's about all I can do :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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