New equipment 2018

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Prep8611, Feb 14, 2018.

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  1. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Can we not have a post about brewing equipment turn into a flame war? He was talking to me and I didn't take it personally. Seriously I just want one post where it doesn't turn into a dick measuring contest.
     
  2. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    On another note I dropped a hydrometerso I bought a new one today. While at the store I saw they had Nelson for 2.50 an ounce so I picked up 4 ounces, 2 ounces hallertau MF, and 2 ounces pacific jade.
     
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  3. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    This is my first tun, so have no experience with a plastic cooler. I have used it once and I lost 4 degrees in a hour. I know there was stuff I messed up, like not having the water hot enough when I filled it for the first time. I also couldn't place an extra piece of gear that came with it, turns out it is a recirculating bulk head, something I do not intend to use right now. Where the bulk head should go there is a rubber plug. Thought it would be OK with just the plug but am unsure now. I have discovered that water soaked through it when cleaning and noticed that the foam felt damp. Not sure how that will affect things.
     
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  4. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    If you can, store your tun near a active wood stove. The dry heat will suck the moisture right out.
     
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  5. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+brass+contain+lead?

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+copper+and+zinc+contribute+to+fenton+reactions

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+fermentation+create+condensation?

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+co2+vapor+acidic?

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+acid+leach+from+metals+quicker?

    Let me know if you can't piece that together and need me to keep going for you.
     
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  6. Mohican88

    Mohican88 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2010 Ohio

    I got sick of my my economy chiller being unable to cool my wort below 75°F in a reasonable time and finally bought the Jaded Hydra after looking at it for over a year. It is awesome, very quick cooling to pitch temps and much less water used even without whirlpooling.
     
  7. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    Keep digging.
    Brass contains lead beer is wet and CO2 is acidic. None of this is in dispute. .

    And the point is that you said brass is dangerous if used with CO2 gas in draft beer systems. Which it is not, is not prohibited by any regulatory agency and is something you made up out of thin air. Or you know of a real threat to public health. Well, do you? Pretty amazing don't you think?

    Please stop using these forums to peddle junk science.
     
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  8. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Could have been used for decoction mashing.
     
  9. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    Could be, I'll be seeing my kids soon. They can do the picture thing. Maybe someone else has seen these before.
     
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  10. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota


    You should reread what I said and not let your rage and insecurities cloud your judgement. You inserted draft systems, because you have some affiliation with them, I spoke about SPUNDING valves. I wish were were in person so I could bust out the crayons to explain this to you.

    How does a SPUNDING valve work? Well since you are the draft systems "expert" you should know but in case you don't....It has a set point, you then bleed off excess pressure above that set point. In the case of SPUNDING, you rack fermenting beer (or primed beer) into the keg and allow the fermentation to finish and carbonate the beer.
    Are we clear here?

    When that beer is now actively fermenting in the keg, it is creating co2, and
    condensation.
    Are we clear here?

    Now the BRASS SPUNDING valve is attached to control carbonation, and vent any excess pressure. Since that is a direct port to the outside world, the gases and condensation flow out the "keg in" port and though the BRASS SPUNDING valve.
    Are we clear here?

    Now the pertinent part:
    When the pressure excess stops, meaning the keg is at the pressure you set, the BRASS SPUNDING valve closes and you now have a closed system. Inside the BRASS SPUNDING valve you now have the condensation and gases that were venting. Due to this junk science called gravity, the acidic water droplets sit on the inside body of the BRASS SPUNDING valve, then extracting (possibly) some heavy metals, they again (using junk science) gravity drain though the BRASS SPUNDING valve, though the "gas in" post, directly in the beer. Thus my original comment.......

    I hope you actually read though this post to see I never put any but SPUNDING. I have said that in each of my posts.......
     
  11. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    Now just throwing it out there... But even if you use, say, 316 stainless (composition includes Carbon, Manganese, Silicon, Chromium, Nickel, Molybenum, Phosphorus, Sulfur, Nitrogen and Iron). Acidity will also leach out the Chromium and Nickel present in stainless, which isn't exactly safe, either, for human consumption.

    Just one study I had found on the leaching of these metals (304/316)... Side note, I didn't read it all, just was something I found quickly... But in the result section:

    "All tomato sauce samples that were cooked in the presence of stainless steel using typical cooking procedures showed significantly elevated Ni and Cr concentrations"... Mind you, this does involve 'cooking', but still, leaching is present in either material. Pick your poison, I suppose... :stuck_out_tongue:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284091/
     
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  12. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Thanks for the lesson in brewing. Don't be condescending.

    Now, you realize, you are still incorrect about the use of brass in this situation.
    I mean, do you know of this threat to human health? Shouldn't you be informing the FDA? There is no concern that brass is leaching into beer with this set up, despite your convoluted theory. There is in fact no fact. Think about it. You have let your zealotry get in the way fact. I appreciate you feel like you are being unjustly criticized, but you have made a claim that lead is being put into beer. You have made logical assumptions and they don't add up.

    Come on already, stop it. Sometimes it's better to just keep quiet.
     
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  13. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Holy crapers,,,,, guess I'd better stick to bottleing with my old grolsh bottles,,,,,,, unless I'm a gonna leach something out of the glass,ceramic or plastic lids. And gaskets
     
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  14. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I am no longer excited for my spunding valve. You guys do realize @TheBeerery never said it was dangerous to use brass. He only stated it will leach and cause Fenton reactions. Never said I was going to die.

    @the beerery when fermentation is done can't I just disconnect the spunding valve and as long as my keg isn't leaking it should remain carbonated at that pressure and get rid of some of the risk from condensation.
     
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  15. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    Clearly I'm kidding. After all, it's beer and I don't care if I'm wrong, lol.
     
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  16. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota


    Sure, thats good practice anyways... To be honest, its probably easier to not keep it connected anyways. I will pm you with a procedure.
     
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  17. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

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    I am so sorry you are that dense. It's quite sad really.
     
  18. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota


    Check out the nickel levels in beer, they are quite high, because of this.
     
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    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

  20. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    What I don't get is, why can't you just put an S-curve in the hose so condensation doesn't drip back into the beer?
     
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