New Mexico Beer Guide 2016 updated

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by ONovoMexicano, Feb 20, 2016.

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  1. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    Bear knuckle made it pretty far in the ipa challenge. That should've been in bomber . I think overall, prices are out of control. I may pick up a one off stout or a gabf type winner. But an everyday dipa for $10? Hell no. I'm not even sniffing at their Baltic porter either. I'm sure it's all decent. But I have to take a stand somewhere. These traditionally seasonal $10 full growler beers are being pawned off for 3 times the price. I don't like it.
     
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  2. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

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  3. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    Thinking about. Beats the hell out of the other events. I'm still leery of dropping $25 for what is essentially 2 pints of beers. I can go to Bosque during that time or marble, have 3 pints and take home a growler and still be saving money.

    I didn't go last year.

    What I miss was when marble did their marble fest, I think in 2011. About 12 breweries. Unlimited sampling, but an option to buy pints. The rail yards had an event where they tried to limit sampling. It's tough because I realize it's an event meant to have fun, but I hate feeling ripped off. We also don't know what they will be serving.

    Their page mentions exclusive beers. But I just don't know. All these fests seem to care about is the "new" craft beer fan and how to grow in that manner. I can't blame them but wouldn't it be awesome to see a small batch of full nelson make a early appearance at one of these fests. I'm talking maybe a bbl.

    It's not feasible for many of these production breweries, who may be already working on their limitations, to go out of their way to make specific small batch stuff. Maybe 3 batches of various cask Project Danks showing various hops all together. That little stuff goes a long way. I'd love a small batch fest. But trying to sell that concept to brewery owners may be tough. "Let"s make beer that I then can't sell in retail form, because it's a small batch". Most breweries want their core beers at fests so they can be bought or requested at grocery stores.

    I liked when Il Vicino (canteen) went into their cellar for their 20th anniversary. I know La Cumbre holds onto some stuff year after year. Just thinking out loud here. The common fest theme here in NM is not normally what I go for anymore.
     
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  4. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Price of the Bearfest didn't seem so egregious to me. You get a number of samples, a glass, and one pint to drink. Let's say that's $10-12 value. So you're paying the extra $13-15 for the event, the music, security, etc. Not terrible. Musicians should be getting paid.

    And yeah, the key is to offer new stuff, or vintage stuff or something I can't just buy in a store. That's why Blues and Brews is useless as a fest. Bottled and canned pours of what's available in stores. Definitely angled more towards the newbie.

    The challenge in what you are describing as far as small batch stuff is that our breweries don't really have the pilot systems (running, at least; it seems Marble, La Cumbre and Bosque will all have some semblance of a pilot system in place soon) to produce small batch stuff and experiment. That and I think just like New Mexico in general, our brewers seem to be sort of risk averse. Don't want to dump a batch and waste all that money.

    I've thought long and hard about why we don't do some of the wild concoctions you see coming from other parts of the country and it boils down to (to my thinking): lack of pilot systems (less risk and waste in a 1 or 3 barrel production) and lack of deep-pocketed breweries.

    Let's just be honest, no way our breweries have the type of fund behind them that Boston's breweries, Boulder's, Orange County's do (I'm generalizing here, I'm sure some are better off than others). But the wealthier parts of the country seem to have those breweries with the financial backing to take certain risks, use certain ingredients, etc.
     
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  5. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico


    And yes, Il Vicino's 20th Anniversary was probably the best anniversary party I've been to in New Mexico. All those vintage beers (St. Bob's, Panama Joe, etc.) were tasting superb and the fact that they used their whole parking lot just brought about a fun vibe.

    Santa Fe's 25th was pretty damn fun too although they, as they typically do, didn't really do much as far as their beers. 25th Anniversary saison was enjoyable though and I enjoyed that it was in cans. Drank plenty of that bad boy.
     
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  6. teamwiggum

    teamwiggum Pooh-Bah (2,012) Nov 30, 2008 Wisconsin
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    After getting caught up on this thread I'm so bummed I'm only going to be in ABQ for 1 day while in NM.
     
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  7. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    @teamwiggum Which day? What are you planning to do? A full day? A drive through? I think we can help you out. First post is real nice and concise. Other releases may be around in current times though.

    @ONovoMexicano As far as pilot systems, in the back of my mind, I feel every smallish brewery has a 15 gallon converted keg homebrew stand for recipe creations/testing. I'm not sure how big or small some places want to go. Santa Fe has/had a small batch Saturday where they basically brew up 10 gallons on a homebrew stand sort of set up (with a blichman plate chiller). Tractor has a $7 grand brew magic stand. 10 gallons could get you about 300 4 oz. sample servings.

    The best thing we have going right now is the NM IPA challenge, so it's not all bad. Most places want to brew what they can sell (not give away in fest form), so it's really a pipe dream I am thinking up. Thinking of a unique/wacky homebrew-esque beer fest (but brewed by professionals).
     
  8. teamwiggum

    teamwiggum Pooh-Bah (2,012) Nov 30, 2008 Wisconsin
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    Will be in NM the last week in June. Haven't set a specific day to hit ABQ, I need to see what other stuff the fiancée has planned and what days we're already tied up. We're staying in Santa Fe so we'll most likely be hitting La Cumbre/Bosque/etc during the daytime hours.
     
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  9. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Just as far as SF Brewing's small batch stuff, my understanding is they were all homebrews or done by homebrewers. No offense to those folks, but I'd prefer SF Brewing crew doing the brewing instead.
     
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  10. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Hope we can connect for a beer, man.
     
  11. teamwiggum

    teamwiggum Pooh-Bah (2,012) Nov 30, 2008 Wisconsin
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    I'll keep you posted!
     
  12. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Visited Sidetrack today.

    Not packed, but there were two groups of 4+, two couples, and several others on their back patio. Yup, they have a pretty big back patio.

    Sat at the bar, tried 5 ounce samplers of several beers. All tasted clean, properly carbonated, and true to style.

    They had their Dark Engine Stout on cask (hand pump) with cacao nibs and it was damn good.

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    I think these guys don't have the in-your-face IPA or other beer that today's consumers need and crave, so I wonder how they'll fare here.

    I liked the space, the beers were good, and the bartender was really nice (and pretty too), so there's enough to make me want to come back some time.
     
  13. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Also, on Friday night, a blind tasting was conducted involving @505beergeek , @gyoungit , @toothirsty , me and a few others. We tried Bosque and Boxing Bear's Mosaic Smash as well as Santa Fe Brewing's Western Bloc.

    Bosque Brewing won unanimously. Best tasting, smoothest and most refreshing, although Santa Fe's brew had the best nose of all (shocking to be honest, but I'm hoping it's a sign of better times).

    Boxing Bear's beer was derided for an offputting, oniony, baby diaper aroma (I got none of this and enjoyed the floral, bubblegum and melon notes I perceived <#blessed>) and it lacked the drinkability and flavor of the other two.

    I'll just reiterate again what a big surprise Western Bloc was. When everyone was ragging on what would be revealed as Boxing Bear's beer, they assumed it had to be Santa Fe's brew. But Western Bloc really performed well. Stunning aroma. Great tasting, though lacking the oomph of Bosque's and not as smooth, clean and refreshing.

    Pretty cool that Mosaic-hopped beers are showing up like this in ABQ.

    And Santa Fe should replaced Western Bloc with Happy Camper (fat chance).
     
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  14. toothirsty

    toothirsty Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2015 New Mexico

    Did she have an accent and arm pit hair?
     
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  15. Irrenarzt

    Irrenarzt Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2009 New Mexico

    Trust me, the real homebrewers in Santa Fe made much better beer than the employees ever did during the Small Batch heyday.
     
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  16. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Haha. Probably true. I tried quite a few over the years and they were a mixed bag. I was jaded by one batch that tasted like someone's first homebrew though. Never forgot that one.
     
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  17. Irrenarzt

    Irrenarzt Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2009 New Mexico

    There were a lot of bad ones, mostly towards the end of the run. But at the beginning and in the middle of the run when Phil the Younger was all up in it, there were some stellar beers that came out of that program. It fell apart after Kendra's tenure was up. For awhile there, it was a vibrant and exciting time with mostly solid experimental beers coming out of there.

    I think opening it up to any Tom, Dick or Harry that wanted to brew was the death knell of the program. It really only worked when somewhat experienced brewers were doing it. I liken the end of the program to drinking Kelly's homebrews, which weren't much to talk about. Everyone's first homebrew isn't great, and it takes time to get your process down.
     
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  18. gyoungit

    gyoungit Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2014 New Mexico


    I am stoked with the path Bosque has taken recently, they really seem to be shaking the scene up on the ABQ beer front which has become a little stale, IMHO. Don't get me wrong both La Cumbre and Marble continuously make excellent beers, but both seem to be in a bit of a rut when it comes to creativity. Marbles anniversary gose was a rare miss for me and I personally love gose's. La Cumbre hasn't done anything exciting in a while, that was draft only that made me feel like I needed to get to the source. As our local distribution gets larger and larger, our local breweries are competing with some of the big national top breweries. I have faith that our scene can compete 365 days a year with these breweries, but I'm still anxiously waiting for one of our local breweries to come out with a game changer. It's hard for me to want to pick up a Malpais or even Marble anniversary stout when beers like Avery Tweak and Uncle Jacobs, or BCBS are sitting on shelves, or being poured locally. Give the beer nerds what they want... Every brewery here in town basically has the same rotation of beers, while no-one is making a BA adjunct stout, or these tropical Fruit bombs like the Eastcoast breweries. I may be completely off basis, but it doesn't seem to be that hard to throw some coffee, vanilla, coconut...etc - in a small batch of a stout and release it locally in a small amount. In the mean time I will continue to go to bosque and drink these delicious tropical IPA's that are fruity and something that are a refreshing change of pace. I know that we are #blessed with such a great local beer scene, and I love to support local but lately feel that I haven't been drinking enough local beer because there isn't enough local beer that excites me. Step your game up ABQ
     
  19. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico


    Well said.
     
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  20. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

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