New Stat: Failed Feedback (Impacts Reputation %)

Great idea.

When I saw the title though, I thought you were referring to "Making a trade post and completely failing to respond to people that reach out to you" which would have been nice, as well.

 

Im showing a 99.5% rating but i've always left feedback for my trades. I did however have a IP trade partner fail to leave feedback for me, that seems to have fell off. I've checked and cant remember their username but dont think they are on here anymore.

 

Does anyone see an issue with this being applied retroactively?

 

I personally don't. What would the issue be?

 

When you make decisions, you do that with a certain understanding about the implications of that decision at the time you made it. There are valid reasons for not leaving feedback. But I am sure that plenty of people would reconsider their actions or take different actions if their reputation is at stake.

 

What are some valid reasons for not leaving feedback?

 

1) the other person does not leave feedback for you
2) there was controversy even though the trade was finally completed/resolved (broken bottles, harsh words, etc) - no one is necessarily wrong but feedback can be very hard to leave
3) as a personal decision, I don't like to leave negative feedback, except in the most extreme egregious violations
4) there is something shady about the trade (maybe just a feeling, not necessarily anything specific), and in such cases, I would consider reserving my comments (e.g., I don't want to praise someone in feedback and then find out months later that the bottle wasn't right for some reason when I opened it.)

and before you say "just leave neutral feedback", that is still feedback and some just don't want to do that. Neutral can still suggest that something wasn't right and it can be off-putting. Let's face it...unless the other trader has 100% positive, it "can" be a turnoff to some.

 

Each and every one of those scenarios strike me as instances in which feedback would be appropriate (and even advantageous info for other traders to know about) and I'm going to guess that most on BA feel similarly, but we'll agree to disagree I guess.

 

1. This should not be a reason to not leave feedback. Fulfill your side of the trade in full.
2. Feedback should not be hard to leave. You can leave Good/Neutral and still provide constructive criticism, especially for the things you are alluding to in items 2 and 4.
3. By not leaving neutral/negative feedback, you are potentially putting other traders at risk when dealing with said trader.
4. You can edit your feedback for up to 60 days. So, if an issue arose with a bottle, etc., you could revisit it.

That's the point of trade reputation. If something is off about the experience in any way it should be reflected in the feedback. I also think you could let someone know through messages that, hey, this is the feedback I'm going to leave because that is how you felt about the trade. They should be understanding even if they may disagree. Plus, retaliatory feedback is grounds for being banned

https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/trading-feedback-system-explained.185895/

Leaving Feedback
When you're ready to leave feedback, go to your Open trades, find the trade item, and confirm that you're ready. The feedback form will then appear.
Was the trade Good, Okay, or Bad?
What stood out about the trade? Were there any issues? You only have 140 characters to use, so make sure that you're feedback is honest, concise, and helpful to the trader and others. You can edit your feedback too.
Failing to leave feedback is bad form.
Feedback may be edit for up to 60 days; see Sent trades.

 

I agree with the opinion stated in this post. I could not think of a valid reason for not leaving feedback. I like that there are repercussions to trade reputation when feedback is/was not left.

 

The points you are making are a "personal decision". I don't think there is a "right answer" and your response oversimplifies potential scenarios which are often much more complicated. Because its a personal decision, the repercussions (damage to reputation) should be part of the decision-making. Hence the reason why the retroactive application is inappropriate.

 

By the way, where does it state the "fulfilling a trade" includes leaving feedback? You are suggesting it is required. Yet, it only says that "failing to leave feedback is bad form". Not the same thing.

 

It's not required, but it's bad form per the Leaving Feedback guidelines I referenced above and as you mention. That said, in my mind and opinion, safe arrival of bottles for both parties and feedback left for each other is a completed trade for me. Even if it is not required. Good form, I like to keep it.

Out of curiosity, you have 4 Failed Feedback, would it bother you if everything was great with a trade and your partner did not leave you feedback? That only helps your reputation if they do. For me, your only as good as your last trade/feedback.

We've traded with each other before and you seem like a good guy, but I guess we'll disagree here.

 

I actually don't recall all 4. But I know that there were at least 2 situations where I chose just not to leave feedback. Whether bad form or not, I made a decision in a complicated situation and I don't think its fair for anyone to judge that decision months or years later.

 

Again, agree to disagree. With the new changes I would be hesitant to trade with someone who had stats of Delinquent and or Failed Feedback since I'd be very curious why they chose to go that route. Sorry.

Good luck.

 

To answer your other question (cant edit my last response), I appreciate feedback (especially positive feedback). I think people should strive to leave feedback (and that should be general principle of good form or good practice). But it would not bother me if now and then, someone didnt leave me feedback. There are much more irritating and important things to worry about than that. Again, its personal.

And I know you are a good guy as well

 

That is really my main point. I am not objecting to whether feedback should be a requirement or not. I'm fine to follow whatever rules this group wants to implement, as long as there is fair notice.

 

Honestly I'd rather make it retroactively, but I hate it when people make sense. I totally get this point but honestly people should have left feedback no matter what, for the good of all. But being that it wasn't a rule before and really should be now, it makes sense to implement it from now on. But can we shame people instead? Just kidding