New to Brewing Q

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by AmyS, Dec 31, 2017.

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  1. AmyS

    AmyS Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2017 West Virginia

    hello!
    My name is Amy.
    I’ve toyed with brewing my own small-batch beers for a couple years, and was always too scared. I received a couple of those starter kits for Christmas, and figured I should give it a go with low-stakes if I messed something up.

    I really enjoyed the process, and am really excited to get into brewing.

    I did a boil yesterday, and put it into a 1 gal Carboy with exhaust tube. This morning (approx. 12 hours) I still don’t have any yeast foam, and the water from the glass (that the tube leads to) was starting to go back into the tube.

    I know I’m being a bit impatient!
    Could this be an old yeast issue?
    It is also on the cooler side in my house. (62-64)

    Any advice would be welcomed.
    Thanks!
     
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  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    12 hours is way too early to be concerned. If there's no sign of activity in a couple days, check back here.

    BTW, for most ale strains, and ambient temp of 62-64 is fine.

    And the water in your blow-off container going back up the tube is due to a change in pressure. Nothing to really worry about unless it keeps going all the way to the fermenter. (ETA: It's a good idea to keep the blow-off container lower than the fermenter.)
     
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  3. StupidlyBrave

    StupidlyBrave Zealot (507) Jan 2, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Hi, Amy. One of the more common bits of advice given to new brewers is that of patience - it will work out in the end. But a few things first:
    - What was the temperature of the wort when you added the yeast? Did you cool the wort first?
    - Is there a date on the yeast packet? We should be able to estimate viability.

    Low 60's ambient is a little cool for an ale yeast. But I don't think that is too cold to prevent it from starting. Note that active fermentation will increase the internal temperature above ambient by a few degrees.

    The exhaust tube you reference is an airlock. It should be sanitized before use and ideally it is filled with something offensive to bugs. I use star-san (diluted per instructions), but others may use vodka.

    12 hours is a slow start, but you might not see much until about 24hr in many cases. You can certainly try to repitch after that.
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hmmm... now I'm not sure what I read...
    @AmyS... the "glass" you referred to. Is it actually a glass, or is it an airlock sitting on top of your fermenter?
     
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  5. AmyS

    AmyS Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2017 West Virginia

    Thanks! This is very helpful!
    I’m so worried I did something wrong haha! The notion of saving a few bucks on the thermostat may not be the best idea for beer making! I’ll see about lifting the carboy a little so it is higher than the glass.

    Thanks!
     
  6. AmyS

    AmyS Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2017 West Virginia

    Sorry for the confusion.
    It is a sort of all-in-one kit one of the ones where the tube goes into the stopper on the glass carboy and then into a glass of sanitizing solution. The class I meant was the glass of solution that the “exhaust tube” is going into. It hasn’t done that since. Someone else mentioned getting the carboy higher than the glass that the tube goes into. I’m going to try that.

    Thanks again!

     
  7. AmyS

    AmyS Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2017 West Virginia

    The wort was cooled to about 64 degrees.
    (I was using temperature gun and a candy thermometer because the thermometer that came in the kit didn’t seem to be reading right.)

    I’m not sure of the yeast age, and I threw the packet out already. I feel silly for not thinking about that.

    I’ve tried to increase the temperature in the kitchen some to see if that helps.

    Thanks for your help!



     
  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Welcome to the BA site and to the Homebrewing forum, Amy. We're glad that you're here.

    The advice above is all good. You started fermentation with a cool ambient temp and an unknown age of the yeast (yeast packets in kits are typically not very fresh), so those are two factors that usually lead to a slow start. If you get your house temp up just a degree or two, that will help. Of if your fermentor is sitting on a floor, raising it to a table height will likely get you a couple of degrees.
     
  9. AmyS

    AmyS Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2017 West Virginia

    Thanks for the help!

    Any suggestions on maybe adding a little more yeast for a secondary fermentation in a week or two? Any ideas on how I’ll know if it’s viable?

    Than
     
  10. AmyS

    AmyS Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2017 West Virginia

    Any suggestions on maybe adding a little more yeast for a secondary fermentation in a week or two? Any ideas on how I’ll know if it’s viable?

     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you can get some fresh yeast, go ahead and do so, BUT don't add it until you see what happens with your current batch. It may still take off and then you won't need the new yeast. Adding fresh yeast after 48 hours may be what you'll have to do to get this batch going. What style of beer are you brewing? That can help determine what type of new yeast you add.

    P.S. Since you are new to brewing, I'll recommend that you read John Palmer's book, HowToBrew.com which is free to read online. You could also purchase the newest edition for less that $20 at good bookstores or online so that you'll have something to highlight, write notes, etc. It's a very good read that probably all of us here in this forum have read, and you'd hear that recommendation from others here too.
     
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  12. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    If you don't see any activity 24 hours after raising the temps, I'd go ahead and pitch more yeast.
     
  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Welcome to the forum, AmyS. I suspect your worry is premature, as others have suggested. However, it would be worth sourcing some dry yeast if you don't have any on hand. After 48 hours, I would consider adding more yeast.
     
  14. AmyS

    AmyS Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2017 West Virginia

    Yup! You were all right! The worrying was premature!
    Just when I got home from my local brew store with fresh liquid yeast in hand: I saw bubbles, and a little krauesen (still not a lot).

    I did a little happy dance!

    Being inexperienced at all this: I scooped out all my hops prior to putting the wort into the carboy. Now I'm considering trying a second fermentation with some dry hops and a tiny bit of dextrose to try to impart some more hoppy-goodness into the final product.

    I also recently had a coffee-blonde from Southern Tier that may have changed my life... I saw a recipe where someone dropped a few coffee beans into the carboy a couple days before bottling.

    Any ideas or suggestions?

     
  15. AmyS

    AmyS Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2017 West Virginia

    Thanks again! You have been so helpful!
    After work, I went to our local brew shop. I got home last night with new liquid yeast, and sure enough I had some bubbling and some foam. I guess I've gotta work on patience as much as my craft...

    I have "Home Brewing: A Complete Guide on How to Brew Beer" by James Houston. I'll probably go ahead and get Palmer's book, too. I posted a second ago about a secondary fermentation since I took my hops out prior to putting the wort into my carboy. Any advice?

    I sincerely appreciate your help!


     
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  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    The generally-accepted procedure nowadays is to dry hop in your primary rather than using a secondary regardless of what your recipe says. It saves extra work and the potential exposure to an oxidation accident. Just choose your hops and put them into your primary. If you have a hop sack that will make it easier to remove them when it's time to bottle, but the bag is not necessary. You'll just siphon the beer from a level above the trub when you go to bottling.

    EDIT: But wait until fermentation is done or nearly done before dry-hopping.

    As for the coffee infusion, I have not done it before but I think most homebrewers cold brew a coffee bean with a flavor that they like and add that a little at a time to the bottling bucket until you get the desire flavor, and then proceed to bottling.
     
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  17. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you want to dry hop, follow what I said above. However, if you removed the hops from your wort and feel that will lessen the hop flavor, don't worry about that. The hops have done their job during the boil. It is standard procedure to siphon the wort from above the hop trub when you transfer to the bottling bucket, so it is okay if you scooped that stuff out already. If you choose to dry hop, then just follow what I wrote above.
     
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  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    @Mothergoose03 gave you some good advice about dry-hopping in the primary. But even if you were to do this in a secondary fermenter, there would be no reason to add dextrose. The hop oils will get suspended/distributed in the beer through Brownian motion (and probably other effects) that have nothing to do with fermentation per se.

    BTW, when people talk about "doing a secondary," they are usually talking about moving already fermented beer to another container for conditioning, and not about actually having another fermentation happen.
     
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  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I very recently had the same experience with a mead. The threat posed by the imminent arrival of fresh yeast seems to coax activity of the seemingly stalled yeast. Scientific fact. Pretty sure.
     
  20. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Just throw a tablespoon or two of fresh beans in for a blonde. I use 1/2 lb for 5 gallons of ris. The only reason to use dextrose would be to dry it out which could make sense depending what kind of beer kit you’re working with
     
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