New to kegging - Having flavor issues

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  1. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    Kegged my first beer ever yesterday. I tried some of the force-carb methods shown where the PSI is pushed up to 35 and rocked the keg back and forth for ~90 seconds. The keg was chilled 40*F when doing this. The first pour tasted great, but flat. I tried another this AM and it tasted AWFUL. It was extremely bitter compared to yesterday, and also had a faint flavor similar to peaches which was not present yesterday. I've bled the keg a few times and have since lowered the pressure to 12 PSI and plan to wait several more days before trying it again. Below is a list of what I did when kegging. Any input as to what can cause this would be greatly appreciated.

    • Completely disassembled the keg and soaked all parts in hot PBW solution for ~2 hours.
    • Rinsed the cleaner thoroughly with water
    • Filled with StarSan for another 30-45 minute soak
    • Purged/flushed the lines with both solutions in the same order
    • Purged keg w/ CO2 and filled with beer (3 Gallons in 5 gal corny keg)
    • Attached CO2 @ 12 PSI and burped the keg multiple times to get oxygen out
    • Chilled to 40*F
    • Attached CO2 @ 35 PSI and rocked keg.
    • Relieved pressure and attached liquid
    • Set PSI to 10 and poured first glass
    Let me know what other details may help here. I also now realize that I should have just been patient and done the set and forget for my first keg.
     
  2. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    There's a lot of discussion on various forums and Internet sites about how to pressurize your kegs. Generally, pressurizing it to 35 PSI, rocking it for 90 seconds, relieving the pressure, setting it at 10 psi and drinking it all within an hour or so just doesn't do it. Optimally, the standard best way is to attach the CO2 at the serving pressure, leave it attached for 2 or 3 weeks, and then serving. Shorter ways have been proposed, which include rocking the keg for several minutes at a time over a period of days, starting with a high pressure and reducing it over days, a combination of high pressure and rocking, etc., but you may not end up with the right pressure. It's difficult to de-pressurize it if you go over the optimal pressure for your style of beer. Even the shorter ways might take 3-5 days at minimum.

    Since the best way to pressurize a keg is very controversial, I'll leave you to research the various ways and try for yourself.

    Just realize that it generally takes days, not just an hour or so to pressurize a keg to a certain degree of satisfaction. Of course there are also those who claim that they have satisfactorily pressurized their keg in a day or two.
     
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  3. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    Thanks for the reply. I hear you loud and clear on leaving it for longer.

    I didn't have the expectation that it would be fully carbonated and ready to go in that short of a period, but I was eager to try the beer more than anything.

    Do you have any thoughts on why the first pour tasted okay (but flat), but today it tasted far more bitter? The taste was almost synthetic.
     
  4. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    There could be many reasons, and others might be able to provide a better answer than me. One thought that occurred to me is that there might still have been sediment mixed in the beer, and after it sat in the keg for a day, some of that sediment might have dropped to the bottom where the end of the beverage tube picked it up. If so, it should clear after a few glasses. Was it a little hazy?
     
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  5. TimoP

    TimoP Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2011 Pennsylvania

    What was the beer that you kegged? My guess is that you had hop particles and other crap settle in the keg over night, and your pour in the am was loaded with it. After it's done settling, your beer should clear up in a few pours.
     
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  6. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    If you have the ability with a chest freezer, what I recommend doing is:

    Racking enough nearly 5 gallons into corny keg, but not full.

    Force carb through dip tube to about 30 psi when beer is cold

    Lay keg on its side at cold temps in chest freezer and rock back and forth daily.


    The laying on its side is important because this will create more surface area contact of beer:gas and will allow the CO2 to absorb more readily into liquid, at a faster rate than if the keg were standing up vertically with less surface area of beer:gas.
     
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  7. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    It's IIPA. I used my conical, and I performed several trub/yeast dumps during fermentation. Beer looks pretty clear, but I don't doubt there's still some hop matter in there.

    How long does it typically take for everything to settle? Thanks for your help.
     
  8. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    Yes, it has some haze -- Not like gravy, but certainly not crystal clear.

    I poured 3 glasses hoping the first was just sediment, or flavor from the beer that was still on the line from the night before... but all 3 glasses had the harsh taste.

    Thanks again for your help!
     
  9. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah

    Usually if I want a fresh pour, I'll pour the first few ounces from the tap into a separate glass, then begin filling a new glass. I've noticed that the beer that's been sitting in the beer line for a day or more begins to taste like the vinyl tubing. It's not terrible, but it's definitely noticeable compared to the beer that's coming straight from the keg.

    But, if you're saying that all 3 glasses had that harsh taste, then it can't just be the beer sitting in the lines.. how long has it been in the keg? Maybe giving it time to equilibriate may be just what it needs.
     
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  10. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    It was kegged Saturday evening, so less than 48 hours at this point.

    Another "newbie" question... since I'm going to give the keg more time to sit, can I disconnect the liquid line now without spilling beer everywhere? I'm using ball lock quick disconnects. I figure I can go ahead and clean the liquid line again while I wait for things to settle.
     
  11. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah

    You can, but I'd keep a towel around just in case. Just pull it off quickly and there should hardly be any beer that comes out.

    You may already know this, but I'm speaking from previous mistakes.. when you connect the beer line back to the keg, MAKE SURE your tap handle is in the closed position. Last time I reconnected mine to the keg my tap handle was open, and I lost about a pint of BIPA from the tap before I could close it. Huge mess and waste of beer
     
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  12. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Does this harsh bitter taste have a bit of metal taste?
     
  13. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    Not really, no. But it doesn't taste like the bitterness from hops. There is something that's almost synthetic/chemical to it.

    I'm convinced I cleaned, rinsed, and sanitized everything properly, but perhaps I missed something. I'm going to let it sit for 5-6 more days and taste again.
     
  14. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I could think of a couple things, but first would be the synthetic taste which may still be from the new lines, but that's usually a more rubbery smell, taste. Having the beer sit in the lines overnight may have extracted some more junk out of the lines...
    Second, the beer. Is this a tested recipe that you've felt good about in the past? I'm thinking you may just want to try to extract a sample by other means than through the system to to see if it is possibly the beer and not the system to eliminate that possibility.
    Finally, there was nothing like a medication or some other change in your body that may have effected your palate?
     
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  15. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Are you sure you rinsed Co2 tube?
     
  16. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    The new lines seem like a viable reason for the taste.

    This is the 4th time I've made this recipe, so it should be pretty stable. I did use the conical for the first time with this beer, but I feel that it should only improve the beer -- it has a temperature controller and also allowed me to dump trub/yeast throughout fermentation. The beer also tasted good/clean when sampled before kegging.

    No medication. My wife also noticed it had a very distinct taste that wasn't favorable... she used the word "awful" :grinning:
     
  17. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    I soaked the gas hose in PBW, rinsed with water, then soaked in StarSan. Drained the hose and let it dry briefly before hooking it up. Is that process correct or should I be doing something else?
     
  18. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    if you are using beverage line for the beer there is no reason it needs to be cleaned prior to installation.
    same for the CO2 line. If it is beverage line, or the more typical dual wall red outer jacket line made for gas distribution it is good to go right out of the box.

    if you did not use beverage line, well, don't do that. regular old vinyl line is a bad idea.
    Cheers.
     
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  19. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    I'm embarrassed to say that I don't know what the material is for the lines. I just told the homebrew shop that I needed a gas line and liquid line.

    Because I'm paranoid that the lines are the problem, I ordered Ultra Barrier Silver Antimicrobial for the beer line, and Ultra Barrier PVC free for the gas. Will be assembling these when they arrive and will use them going forward.
     
  20. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I think @invertalon had some bad flavor issues with the silver tubing. Chances are whatever tubing you have says what brand it is on the tubing. I wouldn't blame the tubing at this point.
     
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