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Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by wally_world, Nov 29, 2015.

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  1. wally_world

    wally_world Pundit (890) Nov 27, 2015 Illinois
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    I have a question about compiling, cellaring, and the finer points of this hobby. I have seen a lot of BA members with some impressive collections (variety, amount, rarity, etc.).

    How should I go about searching, shopping for, and compiling a collection that could lead to some trading?

    Thanks, everyone!
     
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  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Spend a lot of time in the trading forum learning the ropes, etc. so that when you are eligible to start trading you'll have a sense of what, where, when, etc.

    Enjoy the site.
     
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  3. larryi86

    larryi86 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,118) Apr 4, 2010 Delaware
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    Welcome to BA. As far as trading goes start with just trading for local shelf beers for other local shelf beers, maybe throw in something really good as an extra, as you start to get a feel for trading and establishing a good relationship with your local bottle shop it will start to be easier to land high end beers. Also look to hit local brewery bottle releases. Seeing that you are from Illinois, check out Pipeworks, should be pretty easy to trade.
     
  4. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    the first question is "Why do you want to amass a collection?"

    1) If you want a great cellar than start accumulating multiples of what you really like.
    2. If your purpose is to obtain trade bait than you need to follow the trade forum and see what beers in your area are sought after. Illinois has several great breweries with limited distribution. You also may have access to 3Floyds and Surly which are tradeable.
     
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  5. wally_world

    wally_world Pundit (890) Nov 27, 2015 Illinois
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    That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the tips! After looking at some of the collections on here, it definitely seems to take some time.
     
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  6. wally_world

    wally_world Pundit (890) Nov 27, 2015 Illinois
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    I'm actually looking more at cellaring with the possibility of trading later on. I guess it's mostly because I love good beer and finding stuff I dig is fun.

    I've definitely realized that I have to buy multiples. That's a good tip. Thanks
     
  7. larryi86

    larryi86 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,118) Apr 4, 2010 Delaware
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    No problem. It definitely takes time, but is worth the time and effort that you put into it. If you establish a regular trade partner they can be a great resource and send you local stuff that is kind of flying below the rader but is still really good.
     
  8. laketang

    laketang Grand Pooh-Bah (3,017) Mar 22, 2015 Arizona
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    find a beer guy (bottleshop etc...) you will be glad you do.
     
  9. Boverhof3

    Boverhof3 Initiate (0) Dec 25, 2006 Michigan

    For what its worth, My advice is...If you are really "new" to craft beer, Don't worry about collecting and trading. Seeing that you are based in Illinois, you have years and years of great beers that are available to you that will satisfy that "I gotta try something new" BA itch. Focus on buying and drinking what YOU want and what you want to try. Once you feel that you've exhausted those options, then look to collect and trade. I'm not to far away from you here in Grand Rapids, MI and I've never traded a bottle and have had a great craft beer journey with plenty of new prospects always available to this very day.
     
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  10. DaverCS

    DaverCS Savant (1,212) Dec 9, 2014 Arizona

    Start with the classic examples of each beer style. Beers that have been around for a long time and that represent the style well. For example, no one can deny Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is a classic and fantastic pale ale that represents the style perfectly. This will show you what a beer should taste like for each style respectively. Then, after you have gained an appreciation for each style individually, take a gander over to the top 250 beer section on BA. While mostly rare, these will elevate your appreciation for beer even more. In regards to aging and cellaring beer, take a trip over to that forum/ sub-section. A plethora of information can be found there. Welcome!
     
  11. Redgoatman

    Redgoatman Initiate (0) May 21, 2015 California
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    Get out before its too late...
     
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  12. laketang

    laketang Grand Pooh-Bah (3,017) Mar 22, 2015 Arizona
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    already too late
     
  13. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    Read Patrick Dawson's book on Vintage Beer. I amassed a huge collection and then ended up keeping some stuff way too long.
     
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  14. papat444

    papat444 Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,961) Dec 28, 2006 Canada (QC)
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    Welcome!. If you got some BCBS from your fine state, you're golden :slight_smile:
     
  15. AugustusRex

    AugustusRex Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Canada (ON)

    Here are some beer recommendations for starting your cellar. The MISC list at the end refers to beers that change over time, but don't necessarily improve. They are great to have in the cellar in case you are in the mood.

    English Barleywine (Peaks 8-12 years)
    J.W. Lees Harvest Ale (regular version)

    American Barleywine (Peaks fresh, or 2-5 years)
    Sierra Nevada Bigfoot

    Imperial Stout (Peaks 1-3 years)
    Victory Storm King
    Old Rasputin
    Ten Fidy
    Founders IRS

    Abt/Quad (Peaks 3-5 years)
    Rochefort 10

    Orval
    Changes dramatically, open one every month for 3 years!
    I prefer it under one year.
    Overly phenolic after 2.5-3 years.

    Geuze (Peaks 10-20 years)
    Lindemans Geuze Cuvee Rene
    Hanssens Oude Geuze
    Boon Oude Geuze Mariage Parfait
    Oude Beersel Oude Geuze

    MISC
    Orval (Up to 3 years)
    Rodenbach Vintage (Up to 3 years)
    Cuvee des Jacobins (???)
    Liefmans' Goudenband (Up to 3 years)
    Saison Dupont (Up to 2 years)
    Duvel (???)
    Westmalle Dubbel (Up to 3 years)
    Westmalle Tripel (Up to 2 years)
    Schneider's Aventinus (???)
     
  16. wally_world

    wally_world Pundit (890) Nov 27, 2015 Illinois
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    @Boverhof3 @DaverCS Thanks for the great advice! I have been drinking craft stuff for a few years, but only recently decided that I wanted to dive head first into it.

    @Redgoatman @laketang It is definitely already too late. My wife stopped at our neighborhood shop yesterday to pick up BCBS. She wanted to "contribute."

    @papat444 Thanks! This past weekend solidified by intention to get in full fledged after I snagged 11 bottles of the BC line.

    @AugustusRex Wow. That's an awesome list. I'll be keeping that on hand, for sure.

    Thanks for the great advice. I hope to develop a collection that always gives me something awesome to drink!
     
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  17. wally_world

    wally_world Pundit (890) Nov 27, 2015 Illinois
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    @pat61 Thanks for the recommendation! It is on my short list to read..
     
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