New-Vintage Reviews

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by johnInLA, Dec 22, 2017.

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  1. johnInLA

    johnInLA Pooh-Bah (2,350) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    I find myself revisiting some beers year after year and doing a personal reviews of these beers. Batch to batch, year to year, things change, and so do my reviews ( sometimes ).

    If I think my new review is worthy of sharing with BA's, I'll go in and edit my existing review.

    The problem is, it stays buried in chronological order based on the original review. That means people interested in the current years release will never see it. The result is many of us resort to posting our tasting notes in the forums.

    I think we could encourage the posting of new reviews into the beer review section, if new information could move to the front of the chronology sort.

    My thinking is, leave the editing as it is. Sometime people just want to edit a previous review. But allow a "new" review to be added. The new review locks the old one ( no more edits allowed there ), but allow us to enter a new review based on the current vintage, and move it to the front of the list. It is new information.

    Rating changes should not qualify as new, this should only apply to review updates.
     
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  2. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Adding a new review in addition to the old one seems like unnecessary duplication to me. I don't have any difficulty searching reviews under the present system.

    For our own reviews the simple approach is make a list of them by date which makes them easy to find no matter how far back in the archive they reside.
     
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  3. johnInLA

    johnInLA Pooh-Bah (2,350) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    Don't really see where the duplication is.

    This is a new review for a new beer ( different batch, different year; potential recipe adjustments, batch size changes, etc ). Many of us are often curious how a new release compares to previous years.

    Also, I'm not talking about a new distinct review, but rather an update to the existing review.

    What I do now is, edit the review with something like:

    Update:
    New Review Here
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Old Review


    Which is fine.

    My initial suggestion probably overkill, but I still think it would be nice if updated reviews could float to the top of the chronological sort rather than be based on the original reviews date.
     
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  4. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    I don't think enough people review once, let alone twice to justify being able to add a second or more review.

    Just to clarify though, as I'm reading it both ways, are you suggesting the new review be placed at the top with the old review directly underneath it and/or attached, or generate a completely separate rating and review box?
     
  5. johnInLA

    johnInLA Pooh-Bah (2,350) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    Honestly, I think I've over complicated what I was really getting at.

    What I was really after was the ability to sort reviews by updated date rather than created date, or perhaps just have it as a sorting option.

    The goal is to allow the most recent review updates to float to the top. So someone interested in all the most recent reviews, including updates, can see them at the top.
     
  6. woodchipper

    woodchipper Grand Pooh-Bah (3,735) Oct 25, 2005 Connecticut
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    I was thinking "ability to sort by fields besides chronological" as soon as I read your first post.
     
  7. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I think there was a feature at one time that allowed you to update the date (timestamp) when you edited a review - the default was to update it. They removed that in one of the many minor tweaks of the system - I personally hated it because if I updated a review to fix a typo and forgot to tick the box, it looked like I re-reviewed it to folks.
     
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  8. johnInLA

    johnInLA Pooh-Bah (2,350) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    That original feature without making it the default is what I'm talking about.

    By default leave things as they are, so people making edits to an old review can do so.
    But someone updating a review with new information could update the date stamp, to reflect it is new information.

    The point being to allow new information to be at the top of the list like most news feeds.

    Anyway it was just a thought, and a minor issue at that.
     
  9. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I don't mind my updated review not bubbling back to the top for the reading enjoyment of others. Others not seeing my updates is inconsequential to me since my selfish purpose is for me to refer back to when I spot the beer years later. I recently changed a review drastically. When I first had it two years ago on tap I thought it was outstanding. Since then I've had it bottled on two occasions and it ...what's the technical term....sucked. So I updated the review to reflect my most recent experience. I suppose I could have added to the review instead of editing it, but I wouldn't have entered a new one.
     
  10. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I mostly write reviews of Places instead of Beers, and I occasionally update an old review with a new info paragraph or two and a dotted line like you display above. I start the new info paragraph with the new date so the reader knows it is different info. I typically also make a note of what the old rating score was so a reader can see the effect of my new info and the related changes to the numbers. This works okay for a small brewery with a relatively small number of reviews, but if the brewery had a large number of reviews it would be nice to have the latest 'edit' float to the top.

    It's cumbersome, but a workaround to float the new info to the top would be to delete the old review and create a new one. Assuming the deletion of the old review is instant (I've never tried it to know) you could cut-and-paste the old review text into the new one with the original review date added at the beginning, then use the dotted line separator above it, and then add the new info with the preface: "Update".
     
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  11. macrosmatic

    macrosmatic Pooh-Bah (2,735) Mar 9, 2006 Florida
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    I hear what OP is saying, and I do think that would be a nice feature. I don't tend to notice this much as I review beers for myself - except when I've just rated/ticked a beer (like a pour at a festival, or in some situation where I don't think I was able to do a full review), and then later on - sometimes years later - end up with a bottle and do a full review. When I enter in the text of the review, it looks like I reviewed it from years ago, even if that wasn't the case.

    I guess I could delete the "rating" and enter in review that would have the proper date on it, but I've never taken that extra step...
     
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  12. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    If the beer is a different vintage with different abv, different hops, different IBU or a different mix of ingredients brewers do alter their recipes from time to time, then it makes more sense to treat it as a new beer. If the reviewer's knowledge and appreciation has developed, then it might make sense to post the most recent revision based on when it was done. On the other hand, there are probably somewhere in excess of 250,000 reviews on this site. How many people go through and read them all?
     
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