Newby question on fermentation temperature

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  1. TheEvilOnionKnight

    TheEvilOnionKnight Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 California

    First off, sorry if this has already been asked a million times

    Anyways, I'm an apartment dweller about to start my first extract brew. Since its winter, my apartment is constantly 64(night)-71F. Should my fermenter be fine somwhere dark inside my apartment? Or should I be taking extra precautions to take care of it. I was just gonna throw it in an uncovered plastic moving box incase there's any spilling from the fermentation
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Those temps will certainly allow the yeast to make beer. 64F ambient is actually pretty good for many yeasts/styles. 71F ambient is a little high for most yeasts/styles (leading to excessive esters/fusel alcohols), because the beer/wort will reach temperatures several degrees higher than the ambient temp.
     
  3. TheEvilOnionKnight

    TheEvilOnionKnight Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 California

    That 71 is if I even turn the heater on. But I'm usually a cheap ass when it comes to that and use blankets lol. It's 67 right now at 12.

    Would it be a good idea to freeze a couple bottles of water to put in the box with my fermenter?
     
  4. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    67 ambient would be the maximum you should ferment most ales at. If you can get that down to 60-62 ambient your beer should be much better, depending on the yeast you use. Remember that at high krausen your beer';s internal temp is 5-8 degrees higher than ambient.
     
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  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'm not sure frozen water bottles (in the surrounding air) would do a lot. Some people use cold water/ice baths (better thermal transfer) though. But whatever you can do to keep the temperature of the wort itself under control is a good thing.
     
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  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    With the fermenter sitting inside a moving box I think that should help moderate the temp to avoid a large variation. Inside a closet or a small confined area with dead air would also help moderate the temp.
     
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  7. TheEvilOnionKnight

    TheEvilOnionKnight Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 California

    I could stick it in my closet. Its usualy 5 degrees cooler than rest of the apartment too, and we only ever open it to get the vacuum out

    I was actually worried about the other end of the temperature spectrum. What's the coldest yeast should be fermented at? And should I put the lid on this box? I thought trapping the air inside would be a bad idea
     
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  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    That will probably be a good place for it, but how certain are you of the room temps that you are mentioning? You don't want to take a chance of putting it into a place that is too cold because the yeast will want to go dormant. You need to have some certainty of what conditions you'll put the yeast into.
     
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  9. TheEvilOnionKnight

    TheEvilOnionKnight Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 California

    I have a thermostat so I'm pretty confident on those apartment temperature ranges. The closet however is always just colder every time I walk inside it. That's why I'd guess about 5 degrees cooler. I could get a seperate wall thermometer just for the closet if that would be useful

    I've read that yeast could go dormant once the temp hits below 60. The apartment doesn't go that low even at night
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I would recommend that you place a thermometer in your closet and monitor a few times throughout a day (or two). That way you will precisely know the ambient temperature conditions of your closet.

    I would recommend using a neutral yeast like US-05. The manufacturer publishes a recommended temperature range of 60-75°F. That yeast would be very conducive to your apartment conditions.

    Cheers!
     
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  11. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I agree with Jack, US-05 is a good closet yeast. I used to ferment in a closet which was a steady 67-68F, used a lot of US-05 too. However, I feel that my switching to a temperature controlled freezer+controller is certainly a major milestone towards making much better beer. Of course since I live in TX now, it's also an absolute must, because I don't have any more cool closets! Troof be told 64F is probably a much better ambient air temperature even than 67F, because as has been stated, the beer will get to a higher than ambient temperature during fermentation (which is exothermic).
     
  12. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    How big is your batch? A small batch is more susceptible to any temperature swings, so if you are less than 5 gallons you'll need to pay closer attention to the closet temp. Your brewing thermometer or a cooking thermometer should suffice to give you a good idea of how cold it is in the closet, so you may not need to purchase a wall version.
     
  13. TheEvilOnionKnight

    TheEvilOnionKnight Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 California

    Its just a 2 gallon batch. Want to see how well this goes before I lay down some real space and money towards brewing

    I'm putting just a cooking thermometer in there now like you suggested. I didn't know those things are any good at reading ambient temp

    It's still 67 ambient in here at 2:30pm
     
  14. TheEvilOnionKnight

    TheEvilOnionKnight Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 California

    Ok so at 2:49pm, my closet is 61 F. I'll post again at 10pm when I come home from work to see how cold it gets at night. Ill probly also walk in around 2-3 am to see its coldest temp

    Still 67 room temp
     
  15. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    That's better than my place, you should be fine.
     
  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think the cooking thermometer can be fairly reliable, but I'm mostly thinking of the type that is not a probe. My wife has one that she puts in the oven to double check the oven's thermostat setting.

    If it looks like it could be too chilly in the closet then leave the door open or consider wrapping the beer in a blanket to moderate the temp.
     
  17. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    I once read a cool idea for keeping fermentator temp down. Go get an oil pan, like the plastic thing you use when changing oil. Put a little cool water in and a block of ice. Then place the fermentor on top, if you play around a bit you will be able to get decent control. I have never tried this but read it on a forum somewhere and thought it would be a good idea. Then of course you can just change the ice block periodically. Ice blocks take a while to melt. Has anyone here tried something like this?
     
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