No airlock activity question from a noob

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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, even 77F is high for most strains. Better than 82F though!

    Well, if you can keep the wort sanitary, you have lots of time. That's kind of a big if, though. Personally, if it were taking longer than, say, an hour, I'd start to get concerned. Not to mention frustrated with how long a not very interesting part of the process is taking.

    I'm in PA. Not as hot as Georgia, but it still gets pretty hot, even 100F+ at times. In the summer, I can get from boiling down to lager pitching temps (<50F) in under 20 minutes.
     
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  2. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Looking at a pack of US-05....temperature range of 53.6° - 77°F
    The Fermentis pdf for US-05 references 77°F to 84°F, which is for rehydrating.
     
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  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hmmm. I'm assuming Fermentis is expecting the user to let the temperature come down after rehydration. US-05 is a little more tolerant (from an off flavor perspective) than a lot of strains, but I personally wouldn't push it to 77F. (And that's 77F fermentation/wort temp, not ambient.)
     
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  4. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Maybe not after, but perhaps during. It doesn't indicate a specific temperature at end of hydration, it does give a time of 45 minutes from start to finish (15 min rest, the 30 min stirring, then pitch).
    They don't directly specify a ceiling for sho' nuff pitching temp.

    To add to the mix, the pack data seems to contradict the pdf:
    Pack - temperature range of 53.6° - 77°F
    PDF - "FERMENTATION: ideally at 18-28°C (64-82°F)"

    I sprinkle and shoot for midway of ~ 65°
     
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  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Good grief. I'm glad Fermentis makes yeast, and not beer. I wonder how many degrees they would tack onto that for "not ideal, but okay."
     
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  6. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Pitch @ flameout?



    EDIT: failed to mention in a post # 22 that the ideal range on the pack is 59.7° - 71.6°
     
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  7. davedog_7

    davedog_7 Devotee (391) Jun 26, 2017 Georgia

    Thanks again for all the help. And, because I know you were all on the edge of your seats...:slight_smile:

    (what should be) FG is right at 1.012, so it definitely fermented. And, it smells like a pumpkin ale.

    Lemme run this by you. The IC does a bang up job until it gets down to about 90. That's where it really slows, at roughly the 10-15 minute mark.

    Would it be appropriate/acceptable to aerate and seal it, and then plop it in my chest freezer for about another 10-15 minutes? Maybe 20?

    It's a plastic bucket, so it obviously doesn't conduct ambient temperature especially well, but at a sub-zero temp in a small space, I wonder if that might take it down to at least the low to mid 70s within a reasonable time before pitching.

    Of course, I want to make the best beer I can, and at the same time, I'm not a professional beer taster. A slight introduction of fusels probably won't be detected by me or my friends, and research tells me that they are non-existent or at least negligible when pitching at 75 degrees or so.

    Again, not ideal, but overall, aside from some very slight risks, am I courting problems?
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think you might be surprised by how long it takes the wort temp to drop in the freezer. Of course, it also depends on how cold the freezer is. But putting the fermenter in the freezer is similar to sitting it in an ice water bath: it's not very efficient, because neither the wort being cooled nor the cooling medium (in this case air) is moving in relation to the other. But give it a shot and see how long it takes and decide if it's for you.
     
  9. davedog_7

    davedog_7 Devotee (391) Jun 26, 2017 Georgia

    Gotcha. Certainly not expecting it to drop like a stone, but seems like it's "wort" a shot.

    Thanks!
     
  10. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Good to be in a proactive mode for your next batch.
    The suggestion below is what I'd do. It eliminates the step of closing, plopping and removing. All you have to do is change your water supply from the running tap to the pump that's already in the bucket of iced water; a simple disconnect-reconnect.
     
  11. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I brew late at night cause of my daughter and routinely finish cooling to about 80 around 1:30 am. I then stick on my ferm freezer with probe set to 60. I pitch the next day after aerating. This works for me. In the winter I can obviously pitch same night.
     
  12. davedog_7

    davedog_7 Devotee (391) Jun 26, 2017 Georgia

    I think I'll give this a shot one time just to see, and then ultimately move to the pump/ice water approach once it's been a long enough time since my last homebrew equipment purchase. Every time a package arrives lately, my wife asks, "What's that?" and I think she's starting to get slightly annoyed that I respond with "something for my home brewing." :slight_smile:

    Looks like a pump can be had for around $60.
     
  13. davedog_7

    davedog_7 Devotee (391) Jun 26, 2017 Georgia

    OK, makes sense. Seemed like there were differing views on how long to leave the wort before pitching, but as you've had no issues whatsoever, that's good enough for me.
     
  14. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    To be clear my freezer is not 60 ambient. It’s actually much colder until beer reaches pitching temp. I have a small ceramic heater in there to prevent it from getting too cold.
     
  15. davedog_7

    davedog_7 Devotee (391) Jun 26, 2017 Georgia

    I'm pretty sure you know this, but just in case, they make temperature controllers/regulators for fridges, freezers, and other applications so that you can easily control the temp (good for home kegs as well). Sorry if that was a noob response to an experienced home brewer, but just in case, or for any other folks reading that are new to home brewing.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hydro-C...BEgK3-fD_BwE&dclid=CL3-uaTL0dsCFUZ_YgodtHMENg
     
  16. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    FWIW.....How to brew by John Palmer is a fountain of information. Chapter 7 of the online version (older than the print version) is about cooling the wort and goes over several reasons why, and a few ways how.
     
  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    US-05 (dry Chico) is probably one of the most forgiving yeast around...but stand by for a peach bomb at those temps :astonished:
     
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  18. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Np I actually have both my freezer and ceramic heater plugged into a similiar temp controller.
     
  19. davedog_7

    davedog_7 Devotee (391) Jun 26, 2017 Georgia

    I have read a lot from Johnny P (we're friends. not really.) He is a human encyclopedia on beer-making.

    To go tangential for a second, you ever wonder how beer has been brewed for centuries when things like wort chillers, sanitizers, etc. have only really been available recently? Granted, the beer probably didn't taste as good, but still.
     
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  20. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Nope....like most home brewers I am perpetually and wholly uninquisitive about all things beer. :wink:
     
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