No gas activity in blow off, how long do I wait?

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  1. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    First batch. DME, 1 gal small batch. Grumpy's Porter from know how brewshop. No CO2 activity through blow off tube. (I know that is not the only indicator or fermentation) By casting a light over the primary bucket, I can see the level has risen above the 1 gal mark, and is un-even. I even double checked to satisfy my paranoia and cracked open the lid, there is krausen. Not much, but it's there. It's been 37 hrs, the OG was 1.062 (corrected for temp, using hydrometer in a tube). I pitched what felt like half the bag of yeast. I guess I should have weighed it out :slight_frown: How long should I wait to move it? The directions call for a (optional) secondary fermentation... perhaps I should wait until the krausen subsides, check with hydrometer, and transfer to secondary with some of the yeast that has been activated?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You have a Krausen. Assuming your temperature is in a reasonable range, my advice is ...stop worrying, stop peeking, and let it go for a couple weeks before measuring the FG. Then wait 2-3 days and check again. At that point, if the FG hasn't moved and is in the ballpark of what you expected, bottle. Or, let it go a few more days to clean up off flavors. I would say to also taste it for off flavors before bottling, but with a one gallon batch, I might not.
     
  3. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    37 HOURS!? The first time I brewed a beer, I didn't have any activity whatsoever for over 48 hours.

    Patience, grasshoppa
     
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  4. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Thanks guys. I pitched at 80F :slight_frown: the directions said to wait to at least 80, after some googling I think I should have waited to 75 or so. Oh well, I'm still learning. Yesterday the temp hovered at 72 -> 70, with room temp at 65. The wort temp dropped to 68 last night so I'm turning my heater on. The temp range in the directions calls for 68 - 72.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Mid 60's should be about perfect for any ale yeast strain that would typically be used in a Porter.
     
  6. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    It is "Muntons dry ale yeast". Not sure exactly the strain, for what thats worth. So, should I disregard the directions and just let it hover at mid 60's?
     
  7. Hiwattowner

    Hiwattowner Pooh-Bah (2,926) Feb 23, 2008 Massachusetts
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    I know tough to do, but just let it sit like people above said.
     
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  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Your room temp of 65F will be fine. The wort/beer will be a few degrees higher than that during peak activity.
     
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  9. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    It's good to see your paranoia on your first batch. That means you give a shit and you'll probably stick with this hobby. Just keep in mind that it's your FIRST BATCH. Mistakes will be plenty and you'll have a hundred more batches to tighten the screws. Few of us have learned everything that we needed to by our second batch to be able to brew consistent stellar beers.

    A few things to focus on in the future:

    Fermentation Temp: Mid to low 60s is great for many ale yeasts. This means pitch at ~63F and keep it there for a week+ I pitched below 100F on my first batch and let it run about 70F for a week. It took a long time before this beer was really drinkable. Most yeasts, especially the dry ones, are very forgiving and very hearty. They can ferment 4 or 5 degrees colder than the listed temperature range. Cooler is generally better than hotter. I shoot for the low range on just about all of my fermentations.

    Yeast Count: I habitually overpitch. Not by a lot, but I'd rather overpitch than underpitch. Half a satchel for a gallon of beer will be fine.

    Read, Learn, Ask: Just keep doing what you're doing. You've had lots of posts before your first brew. That's a good thing. There are always people on here that want to answer questions and bounce ideas off of your brewing practices.
     
  10. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Sit back, relax, and have a homebrew (if you have one on hand).

    I gave up on using airlocks and blowoff tubes years ago. These days I just put a solid lid across my ale pail.

    As mentioned, you have krausen. Thus the yeast is doing its thing. Some fermentations are more vigorous than others or take more time to get vigorous. Just be patient.

    My biggest advise would be to give that beer plenty of time in the primary. Under ideal practices homebrews can finish quickly but most starting homebrewers dont do the ideal. Two or three weeks in primary wont hurt anything, and will give the yeast some time to help clear up any off flavors from the high fermentation temp. Also, in the future, be patient and pitch when the wort has fully cooled.
     
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  11. devildogbrewing

    devildogbrewing Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2014 Michigan

    what are you fermenting in, and where in the house is it? If it is a carboy, cover it and keep away from light!
     
  12. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    not trying to scare you, but you are DOOMED!
     
  13. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    What someone else said. Relax, and have yourself a beer. But take lots of notes, and remember them.
    It's your first batch, so just let it ride and learn. ABIDE the yeast. It's in their hands now. Leave them be, and don't open the lid up, cos it just pisses them off. And also, if you are not clean on your scene. You will have yourself an infected beer and gushers.
    You have krausen happening, which is GREAT. That's the most important thing right now. They've started the party, and at the size you are working with and what you have in there. I don't think it'd be that much of a beer for blow off anyways.
    It sounds like with what temperatures you are reporting; peak fermentation has actually already occurred and they'll be on their way to slowing down, and cleaning up.
    You can dry hop if the recipe calls when it calls for it, and in another 3-4 weeks; you'll be ready to bottle.
    Relax and have a beer.
     
  14. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Was not going to dry hop. Maybe after I get a feel for basic brewing. I was actually going to get things ready to transfer to a 2ndary / carboy tomorrow. The directions call for a transfer after 3 - 7 days, and tomorrow will be day 5. There has been no notable activity. Temp has decreased to ambient temp, and I can see (by shadows through the bucket) the krausen has decreased. Looks like some might still be there, but I will be willing to bet it is just stuff that stuck to the side of the bucket.

    I also wanted to start another batch in the primary :slight_smile:
     
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  15. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Can you use the carboy as your primary for your next batch? I wouldn't transfer just to be able to re-use a fermentor.
     
  16. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I can not :slight_frown: The reviews for the other stout / porters that I got said they had very over active fermentation and blew airlocks. So I need the 2 gal bucket for the 1 gal brew. But that wasn't the only reason for the transfer. It was to follow the directions. Do you think I should wait the full 7 days, or disregard the directions?
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    My advice would be to not do a secondary. For most beers they are not needed, and you can just leave the beer in the primary longer.
     
  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I agree with VikeMan. Patience is very hard on your first brews, but you have to be patient to do it right. Directions with homebrew kits sometimes are not the best advice, and you need to respond to the yeasts' schedule, not what is in the directions. (The directions presume ideal conditions, and we already know that your pitch temp was too high, so the directions aren't going to adjust for that.)

    I'd wait at least 10 days before checking the gravity (although 2 weeks is better), but with such a small batch you can't check very many times before your gravity samples use up too much of your beer. When you take your gravity reading, and it is well above the expected final gravity given by the recipe, then you're stuck with waiting longer and taking another sample for another gravity reading and using up more of your beer. So you might as well practice patience and wait it out now.
     
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  19. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I appreciate everyone's input looking out for me. I'll keep it in there for the 2 weeks you suggest. I think Vikeman had mentioned the yeast could clean up some off flavors that might come about from pitching to high. I just figured it could do that in a carboy after a transfer. But if you all say it's best to just leave it put, then I'll leave it put. I wasn't worried so much about contaminating anything, or oxygenating the mixture so much. I'm getting my BS in biology, and my research is micro related. My aseptic technique is pretty good, and I'm meticulous for the most part on cleanliness. I haven't had a contamination yet in the lab. I realize these are 2 totally different things, and the two don't necessarily correlate. I was just basing my decision on pros and cons of the hazard of transferring, and hadn't taken into consideration that a transfer might actually disturb the yeast and limit their ability to function. Thanks again.
     
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  20. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    oh my goodness, I just realized something as I was reading through the forum. I just poured the wart into the primary. So, the hops didn't get filtered out they are still in there. Is it going to turn out really hoppy? Or would it have some other effect on the beer?
     
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