No signs of fermentation

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  1. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I feel like a beginner posting this question, but I’m conflicted on what to do. I brewed an AAL on Saturday, and direct pitched about 600 ml of slurry of WLP838 I had harvested maybe 6 months ago from a Baltic Porter. It was against my better judgement, but I didn’t have a chance to make a starter, and my LHBS has limited hours right now that don’t work for me, so I figured it would be fine.

    It’s been about 72 hours now, post pitch, and I see no signs of fermentation. I took a gravity reading and see that it has dropped from 1.046 to 1.043 adjusted for temperature. I pitched just below 50° And let it rise to 52° after a day or two of no airlock activity. Just roused the fermenter and set my ferm chamber to 55° before I go to bed hoping that will kick things into gear.

    Should I pitch the sachet of US-05 I have in the fridge if there’s still no activity tomorrow afternoon (approaching 4 days with little to no activity)? I would have done it already, but I really wanted this to be a proper lager.
     
  2. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I'd say go ahead with the US-05 and just call it a cream ale.
     
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  3. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Bad news is that this is not going to be a proper lager. Good news is that if you get some yeast activity there is no reason it won't be a proper beer.

    You sound like you already know the answer. 6 month old yeast, no starter, 50F. Not optimal.

    I would pitch the US-05. Two of them if possible. That's my opinion.
    Cheers.
     
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  4. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    You are definitely between a rock and a hard place. Odds favor little to no fermentation (i e drain pour) if you do nothing. If you pitch the Chico, odds favor a lifeless brew (borderline drain pour at the best). I would tend to wait a bit and prepare myself for dumping it. If and only if you must have something alcoholic to sip on would I re-pitch the US-05. FWIW, I just had an infected yeast that made a classic "band-aid" beer . . . so I understand the agony of defeat.

    EDIT: Any chance of getting another 838? That would be my first choice.
     
  5. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I had that thought as well, especially since I know some people even co-pitch a blend of both ale and lager yeast. There are certainly worse propositions.
     
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  6. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    Not really. My LHBS doesn’t open until tomorrow for curbside pickup, and even if I managed to get a pack, I wouldn’t have time for a starter, so I’d imagine another long lag. I wish I had at least some w34/70 on hand. Definitely going on the shopping list.

    I checked this morning, and I’m seeing some bubbles rising to the surface, so maybe rousing and raising to the top of WL recommended temperature range did something. But I’m thinking it could just be co2 coming out of solution from agitating the fermenter last night/warming it up a few degrees. I’ll check it this afternoon and repitch tonight if there are no further signs.

    Definitely a cheap lesson, so not a total waste either way.
     
  7. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    Well I just checked again and it looks like krausen is starting to form. When I looked originally, after about 72 hours, the wort/beer was very clear, almost like the yeast had competed fermentation and settled out. Now this:

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    This complicated things a bit, as I was expecting to see nothing and proceed to pitch more yeast. Now that there is some activity, not sure if I should let it ride?
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That's what I would do.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Why wouldn't you? It seems obvious (to me) that pitching a 6 month old slurry was non-ideal but now that fermentation has started let's see what happens?

    Save your US-05 for a subsequent brew.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I just thought that whatever caused it to stall in the first place may happen again after only dropping a few more gravity points. But now that I think about it, I bet pitching cold caused the yeast to stay dormant, wasting 72 hours sleeping. Now that it’s up and moving, hopefully it’ll stay that way, as if I’d just pitched warmer to begin with.

    Trust me, I won’t be pitching a slurry of any age again, even into a low gravity ale, nevermind a lager. Lesson learned. :flushed: I’m usually pretty fanatical about yeast health/cell count, but had a spontaneous brew day and thought it would be fine. Guess I was wrong.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, this may eventually turn out to be your best brew ever? Keep the faith!

    Cheers!

    P.S. And don't pitch 6 month old slurry ever again! :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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