Not too dry is the aim

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  1. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    My "inventory" brew is a SMaSH ale. 10# Maris Otter to a 5 gallon batch. I've made three 5-gallon batches and one 10-gallon batch thus far, interspersed among all of the adventure batches.

    My next to last batch didn't ferment to target FG, but was delicious. Several folks commented about how drinkable it was. The yeast was Wyeast 1056. No starter, just a smack pack. Also, it was a solo batch (no help), so I was able to move at my own pace and manage of a number of details with more care than normal (hot break, etc.). The character of the mash was unusual, as a lot of the "meat" of the grain was completely out of the hulls. The LHBS assured me that the chopper set up was unchanged from any other time.

    For the last batch, which was the 10-er, I made a big starter with US-05. It came out much dryer. If it hadn't been for how great the previous batch tasted, I wouldn't be disappointed.

    I saw in a different thread that US-05 = Wyeast 1056?

    Also both batches were step mashed in the kettle. Next time, I'm planning on a single infusion in the tun.

    Bearing in mind that the recipe couldn't be more simple, and assuming US-05=Wyeast 1056, would increasing the amount of grain in a new batch bring that wonderful maltiness back even if the batch was completely fermented?

    Thanks and Cheers!
     
  2. AlHounos

    AlHounos Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2015 California

    yes, US-05 is almost the same as 1056. I'm not too sure what you're asking though. If you're looking for maltiness and non-dryness, don't use 1056. Use something that accentuates malt like 1968 or 1450.
     
  3. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Increasing the amount of grain would increase the OG, ABV, and FG if you pitch healthy yeast. You'd adjust your IBU level to this as well. Hoppy or malty is kind of a ratio between bittering and sugars (gravity points).

    There are several variables to give you maltiness. Not hitting FG, as you mentioned above is one. Making your FG higher through crystal malts and high mash temps are ways. Using a less attenuative English or Scottish yeast would be another way. You can also have less bittering hop. You can also round out hoppy sharpeness with lots of late addition hops. Not so much malty, but that can definitely make a hoppy beer more drinkable.

    Do you have any numbers on your OG and FG and IBUs on your previous batches?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    They are both the Chico strain. I'm not sure if you're using the term maltiness the way I would. In my mind, maltiness relates to malt flavors, not to directly to sweetness/dryness.

    Regarding sweetness/dryness, which is related to the level of attenuation, it sounds like your non-starter batch didn't ferment as completely as your with-starter batch, i.e. the first was under attenuated. If you like the first batch better, you could keep making the recipe without a starter, or you could change the attenuability of the wort (through mash schedule), or you could use a less attenuative yeast strain.

    I also notice you did step mashes in a kettle. Precise temperature control throughout the mash is pretty hard to do that way. I wouldn't be surprised if that contributed to the differences in attenuation.
     
  5. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    IMO, s-05/wy1056/wlp001 is not a great yeast to use for enhancing malty flavors and aromas. It also isn't a great choice if you want to avoid getting too dry. You can mash higher in hopes of a higher FG, but this strain can still attenuate more than you planned.
     
  6. toronto_brewer

    toronto_brewer Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2015 Canada (ON)

    "The character of the mash was unusual, as a lot of the "meat" of the grain was completely out of the hulls. The LHBS assured me that the chopper set up was unchanged from any other time."


    I've noticed that some brands of Maris can look powdery when crushed. Especially Maris Otter Crisp. Apart from having a tendency to form dough balls, I don't think this would impact the taste of the finished beer.
     
  7. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Was out of the country with sketchy service. Just wanted to say thanks for the replies.

    Cheers!
     
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