Nut Brown Ale: How many contain nuts?

But how far and wide was something like that available? That new Pilsner-style beer had pretty much taken over by this time, hadn't it?

(A little richer than beer... stimulating and healthful... heh)

 

One more time: "I have great respect for your efforts and competence."

There is no doubt in my mind that you research matters in a conscientious manner. Having stated that, nobody is capable of collecting all of the data/information. That is why it is prudent for folks to obtain information from multiple sources. Back to my George Washington history analogy. An individual should read James T. Flexner, David McCullough, Ron Chernow, Joseph Ellis, ....

Cheers!

 

Well, it's a Pittsburgh brewery, so probably east to Homestead, and all the way west to Carnegie or maybe even to the Ohio border. The strange thing about US beers labeled or referred to as "Nut Brown Ale", esp. in the pre-Pro era, was that they seem to be concentrated in the mid-Atlantic/eastern Great Lakes region - particularly PA, OH, DC, MD. They seemed, also, to be fall seasonal beers, similar to so-called Brown October Ales. (Pretty sure I've seen the same beer called both).

Even after Repeal, the two longest-lived "Nut Brown Ales" were from Duquense in Pittsburgh and American in Baltimore. A regional specialty, and oddly often brewed by breweries that were primarily lager brewers.

Yeah, but "pretty much" is the operative term. Still a lot of ale breweries around, smaller capacities and yearly barrelages, few with national distribution like the big 3 of AB, Schlitz, Pabst, but they had a good share of the market in New England and the Mid-Atlantic states of NY, NJ.

 

Most entertaining thread yet! (I can cite no research to back this up)

 

If I may, did anyone enjoy National Premium as much as I did? I brought cases back from Baltimore for years. I suppose that it's gone? Hardly a nut brown, but an interesting piece of history. Also, when I was in England years ago, up north, we drank Newcastle. The locals spoke of Newcastle Strong Brown Ale and said it was markedly different than the regular commercial variety. Any truth there?

 

[quote="jesskidden, post: 1907207, member: 33806"Even after Repeal, the two longest-lived "Nut Brown Ales" were from Duquense in Pittsburgh and American in Baltimore. A regional specialty, and oddly often brewed by breweries that were primarily lager brewers.[/quote]

How much do you suppose that has to do with being close to the Eastern Seaboard and importation/travel from England?

 

That's okay! Opinions require no research.

 

I don't think it's either possible nor necessary to collect all the data in order to arrive at a picture.An established style will crop up in any reasonable sized sample.
Beer is an article of fashion and moves with the times. A good beer historian will have a feel for the different periods. Just as you and I can get a good idea of the date of a street scene by looking at what people are wearing and what vehicles are on the roads.Or an antiques expert can date an artefact by looking for details.
Nothing of course is absolute and brewers within limits did their own thing.There are still people using audio cassettes and vinyl records but this fact doesn't nullify that these have effectively been superseded.

 

Holy City Brewing has a pretty good one called Pecan Dream. The bourbon barrel aged version is especially good.

 

Hmmm... off hand, I'd say "Not much". I think that was more prevalent in the traditional ale market region of New England, upstate NY and the metro NYC-NJ, and brewers in those areas (along with PA) were much more likely to brew porter as their top-fermented dark beer offering (altho' a few NE brewers did market October Ales and [Nut] Brown Ales). I guess I think of Baltimore and Pittsburgh as industrial, blue collar/immigrant cities at that time, while Boston and NYC would have a more Anglo-centric/world traveling market segment.

 

I have to find it and read it. got a few ahead of it. I may be an amazing book. thanks! I want to say focused on what is provable in beer history. I got NOTHING invested either way, I just want to learn about it. You know?

 

Books about history of a man are observations and opinion, and a few facts. The winners usually write those types of histories. Of which lots of factors are in play.

So back to the subject.

BEER recipe history is usually ABOUT documented research. Which as more things are found may change things 180 degrees. I am NOT so inflexible I cannot learn a new fact and accept it as true and learn some thing new. So yea history of written facts are kind of hard to give an opinion on. Though I am sure you will find a way.

I respect your opinion on most things. Still I guess we agree to disagree on others.

 

is that book called?
IPA: brewing techniques, recipes and the evolution of India Pale ale?

I do not enjoy most IPA so I over looked that 1, and did not know it had lots of history in it.
I will look for a cheap used one. or try to find it in the library as IPA and brewing 1 are not my thing.
thanks again!

reading the amazon reviews of it now.

 

That is it. A good read, and I have brewed a recipe from it that was very nice.

 

yea i found his web blog ths morning. Not much there. I see he is a west coast American brewer.

 

"Telephone 1125 for a case" is my favorite part.

 

Not sure if UK breweries still do this, but Franconian ones do. I used to call Brauerei Hoenig every Thursday saying I needed a fresh case of of their Ungespundetes Lagerbier -- and every Friday morning the truck would show up, take away my empties, and carry a fresh case down to the basement for me. (Cost around $10 including tip, but I think the price may be up to $12 now....)

 

That's better than the friendly milk man of yester-year!