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  1. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Anyone ever brew a beer that was a combo between a stout and a nut brown ale?

    I've never wanted to brew a nut brown ale. They're great, but by the time I'm to the bottom of a glass I keep telling myself that I'm glad I don't have 5 gallons of the stuff. Maybe something a little darker would persuade me.

    20% of the bill would be a medium crystal, biscuit malt, brown malt, some chocolate and black patent
    I'd use some signature munich (I put it in most all of my beers)
    <80% MO

    EKG for bitter to 20 IBUs for 60 min
    Maybe a touch of Goldings late in the boil for some character

    ESB yeast?

    Who else would drink this? :slight_smile:
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    The only thing I can suggest is using Whitebread Ale Yeast (1099). Used it in a brown ale that I enjoyed quite a bit.
     
  3. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I don´t know if you prefer coffe flavor or nut flavor,I would suggest you to try with a hard malt character raising brown malt percentage,I personally don´t lke a deep coffe flavor so I tend to use more chocolate malt and less black malt or roasted barley.I would not use a very dark crystal like 120 L or SB to avoid raising flavor either.
     
  4. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Maybe just sub in some biscuit malt into a brown porter recipe?
     
  5. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I guess what I have in my mind is that strong malt backbone of a nut brown alongside something to take the icky sweetness away. I'm not against coffee at all and would probably consider a split batch with it just for giggles. I suppose this'll be a sweet stout but no lacto. Just heavy on the maltiness and some sort of roast to help give it character. How do you suppose spacial B would play in a recipe like this?
     
  6. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    Me.

    I've never brewed such a beer, but I drank one of these last night....

    http://www.telluridebrewingco.com/beers/face-down-brown/

    VERY VERY nice beer. And it seems to match your description of what you're after. This one had pretty neutral yeast character, strong nutty flavor, and potent bitterness to balance the malts. So, I'd try a more assertive, complex hoping scheduling.

    Telluride's uses Magnum, Tettanger, CTZ and Cascade. Just a thought...

    Good luck with your beer!
     
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  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    You could sell this to me as a stout on SRM. :slight_smile:
     
  8. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    Ha. Yeah, I had the same thought when I poured it last night. But the roast-character is not strong in that beer. Looks can be deceiving...
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    What is about brown ales that you regret when you get to the bottom of the glass? Too sweet? Too plain? You're the homebrewer, so you can cut back on crystal, add hops, add more roast. It's your beer. MrOH's suggestion of biscuit malt in a brown porter is sort of where I was going. I've been using pale chocolate malt in my brown ales for some time and have done a cross between my brown ale and brown porter by adding the pale chocolate.
     
  10. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina



    I would skip special B to avoid raisins and sweet flavor.I guess pale ale ,chocolate,munich,dark wheat(pinch)and brown malt would help you out to get what you want,IMO.I would avoid flavor hops addition and would mash a bit higher if you are going to use 5-7 % of brown malt, something around 152-154 F to counter the dry-harsh maltiness from this malt.
     
  11. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    This is for a Brew in a Bag Dark Mild I did a while back. Came out nice.

    BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
    Recipe: Dark Mild
    Brewer: Barfdiggs
    Asst Brewer:
    Style: Mild
    TYPE: All Grain - BIAB

    Recipe Specifications
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    Boil Size: 8.50 gal
    Post Boil Volume: 7.88 gal
    Batch Size (fermenter): 6.00 gal
    Bottling Volume: 5.25 gal
    Estimated OG: 1.056 SG
    Estimated Color: 34.4 SRM
    Estimated IBU: 20.9 IBUs
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
    Est Mash Efficiency: 81.7 %
    Boil Time: 90 Minutes

    Ingredients:
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    Amt Name Type # %/IBU
    8 lbs 8.5 oz Maris Otter (Crisp) (4.0 SRM) Grain 1 65.0 %
    15.8 oz Oats, Golden Naked (Simpsons) (10.0 SRM) Grain 2 7.5 %
    15.8 oz Victory Malt (biscuit) (Briess) (28.0 SR Grain 3 7.5 %
    13.7 oz Chocolate Malt (Simpsons) (430.0 SRM) Grain 4 6.5 %
    10.5 oz Crystal, Medium (Simpsons) (55.0 SRM) Grain 5 5.0 %
    10.5 oz Pale Chocolate Malt (200.0 SRM) Grain 6 5.0 %
    7.4 oz Crystal, Extra Dark (Simpsons) (160.0 SR Grain 7 3.5 %
    1.26 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - First Wor Hop 8 20.9 IBUs
    1.0 pkg London ESB Ale (Wyeast Labs #1968) [124. Yeast 9 -


    Mash Schedule: Temperature Mash, 1 Step, Medium Body
    Total Grain Weight: 13 lbs 2.0 oz
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    Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
    Saccharification Add 41.85 qt of water at 162.9 F 158.0 F 45 min
    Mash Out Heat to 168.0 F over 10 min 168.0 F 10 min

    Sparge: Remove grains, and prepare to boil wort
    Notes:
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    61 = ECY Mild Ale, Muntons Marris Otter
    62 = WY1968, Muntons Marris Otter


    Created with BeerSmith 2 - http://www.beersmith.com
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  12. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I think it's just a little too over the top. If you try to spit after a pint it won't hit the floor, it'll hit your chin.
    I really like where this is going. I think I'll play around a little with the idea of some special malt too.
     
  13. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    See I'm opposite. I used whitbread and really didn't like my maple nut brown. I actually dumped 4 gallons because I didn't want to even hold a keg up with it. That said, it's a popular choice. I'd probably go with London esb 1968 myself.
     
  14. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California


    Its one polarizing yeast. I used to love it until I tried 1318, 002/1968 and haven't went back. OTOH I have some buddies that can't get enough of it.
     
  15. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I brewed 10 gal of this 10 days ago. I added about 20% more grain all around to fill the second keg. I also snuck in a little special malt. I used S 04 on one batch and the Wyeast ESB on the other. I racked the 04 over to a keg and took a nip after flushing the line. It flocked like a rock and is already clear after half a pint. It's really tasty.

    I did have one question about how the beer came out. I'm not familiar with the dark mild style. The only commercial style I've had is the Goose Island Christmas Mild. I'm curious to know your opinion on how your recipe distinguishes itself from a porter or stout?

    I didn't take an OG but it should be around 1.056-1.058 and should finish close to 1.014 for both yeasts. It's stout in color and has great chocolate flavors that kind of pull it back towards a porter for me. The body is thin. Surprisingly so and almost ranks with a dunkel beer. 10 gallons won't last long and I'll be back at this recipe before spring.

    Thanks Ward.
     
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  16. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    I really like brewing and drinking this beer, as its a quick brew day, easy starter beer for something bigger and pretty tasty and drinkable (It is also a great vehicle for dry beaning with coffee; 0.5 oz/gallon 48 hrs at 38 F).

    At least the times I've brewed it, it comes out pretty chocolatey and coffee forward with a strong biscuit character, great head retention and a touch of sweetness, but none of the burnt/roast flavors, bitterness or palette fullness of a porter or stout. Mine tend to finish with a higher FG than yours, around 1.022-1.023 (ABV right at 3.9-4%), so while they're thinner than a porter or stout, they're not quite as watery as I typically find most session beers with low carbonation.

    Glad it turned out well. Maybe the next time you brew it, we can do a swap. There is a local brewery near me that does a great dark mild (Eagle Rock Solidarity) that I could throw in, although I've yet to try Moorehouse Black Cat which is apparently a great modern example.
     
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