Nutulhu?

So are you stereotyping all of us as a single entity? FYI, not everyone in this area is unreasonable.

 

I guess I was. Let's both watch the ISO forums and see how I did with my stereotype.

 

out of curiosity Dave, what do you think would be a fair 1:1 trade for a Nutulhu?

 

I traded my one bottle for DBH. I am totally happy with it.

 

I traded for one and it was for 2 BC variants, which seems pretty fair. Care to continue this? Or should we agree to disagree?

 

My posts have tried to be lighthearted references to a popular stereotype of Chicago/midwest traders. Obviously a fail in the lighthearted department.

That said, maybe something like Been To Barbados with locals added to equal $4$, with the difference in bottle limit made up by the smaller bottle count and more ounces per bottle of BTB.

 

Guess your join date clues me in that you may be a little late to the inside joke for Chicago traders. Please refer to Nov. 2013 Prop release threads for reference.

 

Thanks, but I'm well aware of the "joke" as I lurked a bit before joining. While I understand that some people are on one end of the extreme, there are definitely people on the other side as well.

And it's not being used as a "joke" anymore as I see it posted in damn near every thread as Chicago area traders are continually hammered. Again, I agree some are being very greedy. But I see the same sentiment posted all over the place, while all the non-greedy trades go completely unnoticed, which is a shame. If newer people keep seeing that posted, then it's possible they will have preconceived notions, which only pertains to a very small percentage of traders.

I apologize to you, @cavedave. I don't mean to go at you directly as this is more of a widespread issue. But it just struck a nerve, hence my response. Sorry about that and I hope everyone here has a great holiday.

 

You're wrong, not all Chicago land traders unreasonable... Just 99.9% of them are.

 

No more or less unreasonable than Florida traders, but I imagine you'd take umbrage to that statement. Of course I have multiple amazing trader pals in both Chicago AND Florida, so maybe it's just the jackass stereotypes that are stupid?

 

Well I have no idea what that beer is, but in briefly looking it up, it'll be about 15 years of consistently produced, insanely high demand beers before Rushing Duck commands anything close to barrel-aged Goose Island offerings

 

I know not all Chicago traders are unreasonable. That said, I still love ripping on them

 

In many cases, most perhaps, the 'greedy bastards' are those seeking the ultra limited high demand brews. When demand hugely outpaces the # of bottles available for trade, those seeking the magick brew of the moment know that they need to make attractive offers, which will standout in the crowd. Additionally, uber attractive offers might convince some people to trade bottles they'd originally planned to drink.

I've seen trade offers I thought were ridiculous. I've made trades others would consider nutzzz. *shrug* Don't offer more than you're willing to give but don't begrudge those who are willing to trade crazeee *ahem* with greater generosity.

It's beer. GREAT beer, but beer. It's morally reprehensible when people exploit tragedy for gain, ie skyrocketing bottled water prices during the 08 floods, the schmuck fuck that raised gas prices to over $5/gal as soon as war was declared against Afghanistan, or those beyond reprehensible monsters that fleece desperate refugess who are making a mad dash for life itself. Someone offering or receiving hundreds of $$$ of high value beer for a KBBS is not remotely in that situation. As much as many of us want a particular beer all too often some of us will fail to get it.

Greedy bastard isn't intended as a judgment. I've *blush* been one more than once. I've also despaired at seeing bottles I wanted, NEEDED, (felt I *oughta be entitled to) go for wayyyy more than I can &/or will offer. We're just very, very fortunate to be inundated with such exasperating *problems*.

 

You asked what I thought was fair. Fairness has pretty much left the scene, and it is for this reason I largely don't trade this way any more. It is a matter of greed and hype today, fueled by a generation of new traders who think this isn't a hobby to share and get delicious beer but the beer equivalent of a commodities market. I suggested a beer, Been to Barbados, that is one of the most delicious beers I have ever tasted, brewery only, low bottle count, and sold out immediately. Strange to think that the taste of the beer largely is a factor that is low on the list of attractive features of a beer to trade nowadays. Chicago traders are seen as the poster children for the shift, but truth is the new generation of fine beer folks are like this everywhere to judge from the ISO boards I still look at.

 

@cavedave and @chardlogic as a side note the GreatGazoo is a fine representative of Chicagoland traders. Among us greedy, early waiting, hoarding, shiv carrying shady motherf@#ckers he is a shining example of what it means to be generous and all that is right with trade scene. Cheers!

 

you don't see me on the ISO boards, do you?

 

Not as good as DBH IMO. But if you ever come to chicago, you may get to try it

 

Or I get my ass back to austin

 

Been To Barbados could be a beer I'd love, but it has only one rating which doesn't include a review, so it's impossible to even hazard a decent guess on that. It's unreasonable to assume that taste is low priority when using a beer as an example that apparently many people are unfamiliar with. I could only seek a trade for that beer *if* taste was indeed a low priority as I have no idea what it tastes like. IF I was awash in multiple high value beers I might take that gamble but I'm not so it's not one I'd look to trade for. I imagine there are others in that situation, too.

The multitude of posts debating what is 'fair' & 'reasonable' make it clear that people hold strong opinions regarding this & those opinions vary widely. Those parameters are -imo- best determined by each individual. People should strive to make trades that both parties are happy with. IF both parties are happy with the trade then others' thoughts & feelings are largely irrelevant.

Despite my facetious use of the phrase 'greedy bastards' I don't think trading is all greed, hype & mayhem. In my experience many, perhaps most, of the beers acquired through trading are destined to be shared, sometimes with a large group. IF someone is offering to trade a beer that I hope to acquire I would like to be the lucky person that succeeds in getting it. Perhaps I'm willing or able to offer up more than someone else. Perhaps I'm not (KBBS *sob*). These situations might demonstrate people working for their own interests but this is neither unethical nor illegal.

Being in Iowa I don't get the opportunity to buy many highly sought after beers. When I do land em I'm as likely to pass em on to my favorite people as I am to trade them. I trust those people to be fair with me & they are. Those bottles that I trade I trade quite reasonably. Damned near everyone I know does it much the same.

I know of a few people (& from no particular region) that trade quite aggressively to win. *shrug* More power to em. What they seek from trading simply isn't what I'm interested in. They'll get beer. Lots of it perhaps, but they won't win friends, find camaraderie, inspire loyalty or earn goodwill. I think those people are a small minority of members. Their style & goals aren't mine but I don't honestly much care what they do provided they aren't stealing or cheating. In a very real sense we all want to win. The bigger question is what is it that each of us seeks to 'win'. I'm happy with my goals & I'm not particularly overwrought that others' goals might be different.

 

Really sad to see so many Chicago traders making a bad name for the rest of us. Seeing this more and more on the boards and it's too bad.

It won't make anyone feel better, but most of these people demanding a king's ransom for these bottles are getting shunned locally as well.

It was funny/sad to see a lot of people and their mules drinking year round beers at Clybourn after getting their bottles (instead of Cthulhu and other BA beers available) then posting on trade boards and Craigslist asking for $300 or DBH++ in trades.