Oatmeal IPAs

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  1. Eddiehop

    Eddiehop Pooh-Bah (2,122) Jun 28, 2014 Texas
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    Jeezus...what's next? Coffee IPAs?
     
  2. cbhuffman

    cbhuffman Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2010 Indiana

    Burn Em Brewing's HippoOATamus is darn good. Oatmeal Pale Ale
     
  3. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but adjuncts add sugars which turn to alcohol, not flavors.
     
  4. thorkelson

    thorkelson Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2014 Minnesota

    ... Abrasive.
     
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  5. juke_cleveland

    juke_cleveland Devotee (325) Sep 12, 2014 Indiana

    Omnipollo Fatamorgana hasn't been mentioned yet??
     
  6. captaincoffee

    captaincoffee Pooh-Bah (2,218) Jul 10, 2011 Virginia
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    I agree that it is usually done for the added body, creamy mouthfeel, and head retention due to the proteins it adds to the wort. However, I would not agree that it is "without extra abv." Oatmeal contributes around 1.032 (some sources have slightly different numbers) gravity points as long as the starches are converted with your regular 2-row or other malt. In other words, the starches are convertible and would increase abv in typical usage.
     
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  7. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Usually when the word adjunct is used it is in reference to rice and corn used by big brewers to make their low-flavor pale lagers*. However, adjuncts are a very broad category of additives that brewers use for a variety of reasons, including improving body (by thickening or thinning), head retention, color, and added flavorings brewers can't get from just malt/yeast combinations. Examples of adjuncts include, oatmeal, rye, wheat, sorghum, candi sugar, honey, molasses, pumpkin, chilis, fruits/vegetables, coffee, spices, etc. Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjuncts

    And just a minor nitpick on your comment on sugars turning into "alcohol, not flavors." Alcohol does have flavor (hot, fusel, mildly chemical), but it's usually considered an off-flavor for most beers with some exceptions for high ABV styles. Furthermore, more or less alcohol can influence the overall balance of beer's flavor profile, particularly for styles with more subtle flavor profiles.

    * - However, the american/euro adjunct lager has a distinct flavor profile, albeit subtle; so in that sense adjuncts are creating flavor, but not the flavor people on these forums usually prefer.
     
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  8. DeanMoriarty

    DeanMoriarty Pooh-Bah (1,897) May 9, 2010 California
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    Monkey Paw here in San Diego brews an Oatmeal Pale Ale that is phenomenal! I know the thread is Oatmeal IPA but it's hoppier than most IPAs out there, as are all their Pale Ales......
     
  9. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Deep Ellum out of Dallas makes their Pale Ale with Oatmeal
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    IMO the proper definition of adjunct is the one detailed by Dr. Charlie Bamforth in the Oxford Companion to Beer. The first sentence of the write-up is: “Adjuncts are alternative sources of extract used to replace a proportion of the malt.”

    The terminology of “alternative sources of extract” may be confusing to some but it means that an adjunct needs to provide some fermentables to the wort.

    So, of your above list the following ingredients would be consistent with this definition: “oatmeal, rye, wheat, sorghum, candi sugar, honey, molasses, pumpkin,fruit/vegetables”.

    The other ingredients you listed do not provide fermentables and they would best be described as being flavorings/spices in my opinion.

    http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/brewing-ingredients/flavorings

    Cheers!
     
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  11. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Fair enough. I did some Googling before I posted that and there are plenty of references that supporting a similar definition to yours. I thought maybe some of those sources were being a little narrow in their focus on just fermentables or splitting hairs- either way it's adding something other than malt, hops, water, and yeast that changes the flavor right? But I won't argue about it if that's the accepted definition. :slight_smile:
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I would not necessarily use the word "flavor" in the above sentence. For example, let's consider oatmeal. I brew Oatmeal Stout three times a year (I have a batch bottle conditioning right now) and I add the oatmeal not for its flavor contribution but because it adds a silky mouthfeel to the resulting beer.

    I have brewed with rye in the past and I have read where some folks opine that it provides a 'spicy' flavor to the resulting beer but for the times where I used it I was not able to strictly perceive a flavor that I would label as 'spicy'. I would state that it adds some 'complexity' to the beer but I am at a loss to offer up a flavor descriptor for it.

    Now the ingredients that I label as flavorings/spice do indeed consistently add a flavor aspect to the beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Huh, I was under the impression it was used to thicken body without adding extra abv to bump those beers up into pale ale/IPA territory.
     
  14. MerryTapster

    MerryTapster Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    +1 on equinox!
     
  15. MerryTapster

    MerryTapster Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Oats effect body and head retention as well
     
  16. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    It's not a style.
    It's a permutation of an accepted existing variance within a classic and basic brewing fundamental.

    Not every description that a brewery puts on their label is a 'style'.
     
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  17. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    other half makes an awesome one: oat junkie

    agree that equinox was nice too (apparently didn't rate it).

    hill farmstead / grassroots legitimacy is also amazing. i wrote a review but never posted it. oh well.
     
  18. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    styles are just family resemblances anyway. rough guidelines to help guide learning brewers and curious bar goers. not much else.
     
  19. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    Yeah, I know they do, but again, that's not considered an effect of an adjunct. As others have pointed out, the definition of an adjunct is an ingredient that provides fermentible sugars.
     
  20. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    It seem that if the Oats are mashed they do provide fermentable sugars.

    http://byo.com/hops/item/1521-topping-off--brewing-with-oats
     
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