OG, FG and first time with high mash temps

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  1. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I (finally) got my imperial stout into secondary tonight. I mashed high for mouthfeel, at 160, and had a good portion of flaked oats added, and used wlp004 for my yeast. I dont have much experience mashing that high, but my goal was to have a high fg when everything was said and done. OG was 1.123, and my corrected gravity reading tonight was 1.039. This puts my apparent attenuation around 66%. My gut says this is as low as I am going to get between this yeast strain with that high of a mash, but would appreciate any input from the masses on this.
     
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  2. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    When I go high gravity ( like when I used to brew:slight_frown:) I would always mash and pitch and ferment for maximum attenuation. For me that meant long and low, like 150 for 2 hrs pitched at least 1million/ml/plato and fermented in the upper 60s letting it rise after 72 hrs. OG 1.110 to FG 1.025 with 1968 (or 3787, lower pitch rate I think) was about as good as it got for me.

    I would not have considered mashing to counter attenuation. Just my take on it.

    Doing the math on og123 even if you got 80% attenuation you are still looking at fg around 25, which is near my upper limit for fg. again just my take on things.
     
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  3. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Although I haven't done one quite that high, it looks to be in the ballpark for what I'd expect from seeing other people's results.
     
  4. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    NiceFly is exactly right. You should not have mashed this one hot. 1.039 is as low as you're going to get this one. Hope you like drinking tar with everclear.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It might be done. But only a second hydrometer reading will tell you that.
     
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  6. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I'm sure you already know this, but the more complex sugars that developed from the higher mash temps created lower yeast attenuation. I'm guessing it's probably done fermenting. I've heard of going as high as 156 but have never done a 160F mash before. I personally like my imperial stouts thick and chewy, so I think 1.039 is a good FG for this style... Are you planning on kegging this?
     
  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I will be bottling this for sure as I don't keg. And it's thick, just as I was hoping for.

    Really? I was under the impression that fusels were created from fermentation temps not mash temps. #backunderyourbridge

    The reason why I wanted to counter attenuation is because my stouts, even this big, finish dry as a bone. I brewed this same recipe last year and it did well in competition. It started life around 1.119 and finished up at 1.018 with a mash temp of 155 and the same percentage of flaked oats. There was a distinct lack of body (it got dinged regularly in mouthfeel) and without some residual sweetness to counter the astringency of the roasted malts and 90ish IBUs of bittering hops some judges found it too bitter for style eventhough BU/GU was lower for style. My goal for it this year was to have something as thick as ten fidy. Its damn close in mouthfeel, hopefully some bulk conditioning and bottle time can round out the edges a bit. Hydrometer sample was roasty with chocolate in the background with a touch of sweetness.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @SFACRKnight I think your Imperial Stout with a FG of about 1.039 will be just fine.

    Last fall I homebrewed a clone of Hill Farmstead Everett (a Robust Porter) and I achieved an OG of 1.084 and a FG of 1.033 and I was very pleased with the mouthfeel of that beer. I was a little bit off from the Everett specs of 1.088 and 1.030 but I was pleased with the results.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Did you mash high to achieve these numbers Jack?
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I actually used a 'dual strategy' of depending on the significant amount of specialty malts and a less than attenuative yeast strain (Danstar Windsor) to achieve a higher final gravity.

    Dave Green (@telejunkie ) achieved a high final gravity for his Everett clone by mashing high. Maybe he can share more details here.

    Cheers!
     
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  11. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    1.039? It's in diabeetus beer territory, but it's probably good enough for second place at the state fair again. :wink:
     
  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Oh no. The BJCP says an American Imperial Stout should finish at 1.020-1.030.
     
  13. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    *whispers @Brew_Betty* Shhhhhhh....... you're not allowed to provide dissenting opinions around here......... no one wants to hear it........
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That's just to prevent lawsuits from diabetic BJCP judges.
     
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  15. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I've never tried mashing high on beer with such a high OG. I tend to use it on the "moderate" Imperial beers...like an 8% DIPA or the Everett that I'm looking for a big body...but I'm also using good attenuating yeast strains for those too. So there is a balancing act there. Using Guiness strain with 160F mash....I'm actually surprised you finished with 66% attenuation which isn't too far outside its normal range (69-75%). Actually I'm calculating 68% attenuation on your beer.

    At 11% ABV...I think it'll drink fine. Maybe even lay it down for a year.
     
  16. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
     
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  17. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    3f dark lord is around 1.047 FG, granted its a bit higher OG than yours, but still!
     
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  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    @Scumbag81 did a hydrometer reading for Dirk Lard and it was 1.070. That's beyond diabeetus beer.
     
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  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    My gawd. Thats where my ipas begin their lives...
     
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  20. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Now there's a good reason for me to put this beer on my 'Don't Wants' list. WOW!!
     
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