Old Beer That's New to the Shelf

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by officerbill, May 14, 2019.

  1. officerbill

    officerbill Disciple (345) Feb 9, 2019 New York

    In another thread I mentioned that my grocery started stocking Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA. Some members assured me it was worth the price ($36/4 pack) and convinced me to give it a try.
    Remember, this beer is brand new to the store and was put on the shelf (3 4-packs & 12 singles) on May 6, 7, or 8.
    In case you can't make it out it says "bottled on 12/14/17" so this beer is already 1 1/2 years old before making it to retail.

    Many of the reviews say 120 Minute improves with age so I'll still give it a go.
    Just thought I'd add to the list of freshness threads and remind folks to check the date even on new stock.
  2. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (6,826) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Probably better than fresh, which I experienced many years ago. I'm most likely in the minority saying that.
  3. officerbill

    officerbill Disciple (345) Feb 9, 2019 New York

    I've never tasted it before, but some of the reviews say that it mellows and becomes more well rounded with age.
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  4. Giantspace

    Giantspace Crusader (720) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania

    interesting.....my bottles are etched not printed....they are also 6-7 years old..........they do change with age......fresh on tap was my favorite I think.......wish I could find more Higher Math on the shelf....that beer is great with age on it.......

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  5. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (6,826) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I tried checking out my review but I don't see it. MIA, I reckon; I know that I got it in my very early trades. I remember mentioning that it was near undrinkable when drinkability was a rating before overall showed up.
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  6. DoctorZombies

    DoctorZombies Poo-Bah (3,089) Feb 1, 2015 Florida
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    Some folks like it fresh...I think the sweet spot is in the 4 to 5 year range...last year I did a side by side with 1,5, and 10 years bottles and posted the verdict on WBAYDN. The 10 year held up amazingly well with very little oxidation and tasted great. Onward Science - Cheers and enjoy your 120s whatever their age!
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  7. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Zealot (598) Mar 28, 2009 California

    Fresh or aged I don’t think it’s worth the price. It would be worth a single if you haven’t had it. I’ve only had it fresh and liked it. Super aggressive but in a good way. But for me at the $9 a 12oz there are a lot more beers I would rather have. However, I am not a big spender when it comes to special releases.

    For this particular beer I can see DFH releasing some vintage 120 to distributors since it still drinks well with some age.
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  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,349) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado

    It's ok. I'd never buy a 4x, and I would be pissed if it was almost 2 years old when I bought it. It's a big ass barleywine, nothing special. I can get 6 packs of hog heaven or lawyers guns and money for less than that.
  9. Dragginballs76

    Dragginballs76 Poo-Bah (2,457) Nov 13, 2015 South Carolina
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    I completely agree, I had only had bottles until a year or so ago we were in Pennsylvania somewhere for work and found it on draft it was amazing. I am not a fan of it fresh from the bottle, a couple years is the sweet spot for me but I am so glad the waitress convinced me to try a draft pour.
  10. Tilley4

    Tilley4 Poo-Bah (2,118) Nov 13, 2007 Tennessee
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    To your point... that's ridiculous...a year and a half old? Whether the beer is better or worse doesn't matter... that should be YOUR decision. I picked up some new to the area Samuel Smith Organic Lager yesterday assuming it was reasonably fresh and not understanding that cryptic bottling code of theirs..... bottled October of last year...brand new beers to the shelves...not anywhere close to being as old as that 120 but...its still ok but really would have been nice to have had it fresh since it's a BRAND NEW beer to the area... first world problems I know
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  11. officerbill

    officerbill Disciple (345) Feb 9, 2019 New York

    I bought the $10 single. That way I'm not out too much of it off I don't like it.
  12. ypsifly

    ypsifly Meyvn (1,064) Sep 22, 2004 Michigan

    Two weeks ago I got 2 cases dated 9/14/18. I know they weren't sitting in the distro warehouse since the last drop.
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  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Poo-Bah (2,487) May 30, 2005 Michigan

    Was it 120 minute?
  14. ypsifly

    ypsifly Meyvn (1,064) Sep 22, 2004 Michigan

    Yes it is.
  15. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (121) Mar 15, 2014 California

    Higher Math was one of their best, hope it makes a comeback for sure.
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  16. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Poo-Bah (1,792) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    I have had a bunch of fresh 120 and aged 120 and I enjoy the aged stuff better. Both are good but the aged takes off the heat a little. I would still buy one pack or a few bottles.
    It is sad though that they place this out with that age on it, tells me they bought up a lot of old stock from guys looking to offload. Sadly this is no way to bring beer to an area.
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  17. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Poo-Bah (1,792) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    What sucks is they are bringing a new brand to your area and stock with older stuff. They are dumb in my view because it makes folks angry. If your in a new location give them fresh to win them over to the brand, least my views.
    I would still drink but I have had many of them so nothing big for me.
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  18. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Devotee (454) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado

    Like you said- its a triple IPA aka a hoppy barley wine labeled as an IPA, but once you age it then it turns into a barley wine. Decent stuff but plenty more options out there
  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,349) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado

    Oh no you didn't just go there did you?
  20. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (6,307) Sep 24, 2007 Vatican City

    IPAs do not turn into Barleywines. There is no transmogrification machine involved.
  21. bubseymour

    bubseymour Poo-Bah (2,519) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland

    OP, just wondering, is DFH distribution new to your area or just finally seeing the 120min in distribution? If DFH overall is new, I'd be curious to see 60 and 90 min dates. Those really need to be pretty fresh to be enjoyable.
  22. bubseymour

    bubseymour Poo-Bah (2,519) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland

    Jackie O's just started distributing to my parts of MD within the last month or so. A few of their pale ales & IPAs are showing up. Luckily they are pretty fresh (6-8 weeks old if I recalled). I bought them and thought they tasted quite good. Sometimes we get lucky. Took me close to a a year with Cigar City in the area and finally found some Jai Alai < 8 weeks old (it was 4 weeks old).
  23. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Devotee (454) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado

    * American barley wine
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  24. gopens44

    gopens44 Poo-Bah (2,021) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia

    Dear god, I thought I was skimming a thread from 2012 there for a minute...

    To the OP's point, yes the 120 gets better after about 8-10 months, and if it's never been on the shelf before than perhaps the douchebag distro salesman pawned it off on them after the douchebag distro completed a wall to wall, finding old beer they had to either toss or peddle. Been party to that is why I suggest.
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  25. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (6,307) Sep 24, 2007 Vatican City

    American Barleywines are just over hopped Barleywines. However, they are never IPAs.

    IPAs do not become IPAs because they used to be Barleywines.
  26. surfcaster

    surfcaster Zealot (543) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina

    It's perfect.

  27. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Devotee (454) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado

    Agree to disagree.. hopefully you figure it out some day
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  28. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (6,307) Sep 24, 2007 Vatican City

    Same back at ya.

    Just more.
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  29. bobv

    bobv Poo-Bah (3,260) Feb 3, 2009 Vermont

    For me,
    DFH 120 Min.'s sweet spot is 3 years, 2 months, 1 week.
    Best I ever had.
    Fresh was just too much pain.
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  30. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,349) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado

    Excapt in the case of Avery hog heaven which used to be a dryhopped barleywine and has been rebranded as a red ipa.
  31. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (1,849) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    You'd think that if a brewer is "cellaring" bottled beer in cases with the intention of shipping it year(s) later, they'd add a sticker or something to note the "vintage" aspect of the beer (and probably jack up the price, too).

    More likely, as @gopens44 noted above, it was the local distributor who "found" the old beer in the their warehouse. Although, with decades of experience of going through retailers' floor and backroom stock, could have been the retailer, too.

    (I once found a case of beer in an oversized plain white cardboard box with just "19.95" handwritten on it, on the bottom of a stack of other cases. "Gee, what's that?" I wondered, since the box wasn't branded. Slide the 5 or 6 cases off it, popped it opened and found it contained 4 boxes of mixed vintage of Thomas Hardy's Ale. "Whoa!" Probably a couple of years old already since being put together. When I tried to pick it up to take to the register, the box was "glued" to the floor after years of the floor-waxer bumping into and going around the case - so I peeled it off the floor, using my Swiss Army knife where needed, and carried it from the bottom. The cashier had no idea what it was, the manager shrugged, and I was changed that $19.95 price (which was likely the 6 pack price).
  32. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,603) Mar 12, 2009 New York

    Sorry to hear that. Don't worry, in another couple of years it will be ready to drink.
    I don't enjoy it fresh, but with some years on it, mmmmmm. Guess I'm in the minority as well.
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  33. Newport_beerguy

    Newport_beerguy Zealot (550) Feb 24, 2011 Rhode Island

    To give you some perspective, my wife who really dislikes IPAs thinks the fresh 120 minute is "pretty good" but goes bonkers over a bottle 2 years old or greater. Same effect as Lagunitas Brown Shugga, too bitter for her at the start but get a few years of age on it and she gets to taste those great malts.
  34. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Devotee (454) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado

    Is she a fan of American barley wine?
  35. officerbill

    officerbill Disciple (345) Feb 9, 2019 New York

    DFH had been here for years. 60, 90, perfect disguise, namaste, dragons, and Palo Santo are widely available (I think I saw dragons at one place). The 60 is around $10-$11 a 6 pack and seem to turn over quickly, the 90 is about $14; I've never checked the dates on either one.

    The case of 120 Minute in my grocery is the first I've seen in any store around here. TBH I don't understand why they have it. This is the only 12 oz single they sell ($10) and the 4 pack is literally twice the price of the next highest 4 pack.
  36. Newport_beerguy

    Newport_beerguy Zealot (550) Feb 24, 2011 Rhode Island

    No, only English barleywine...the American barleywines are too bitter for her. What she likes is to SMELL my fresh IPAs and then will say "I wish it tasted as well as it smells." Especially for the aged 120 minute, the nose is of a super-aggressively hopped beer, but then you get a "ghost" of hop flavor without the bitterness.
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  37. bubseymour

    bubseymour Poo-Bah (2,519) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland

    All of the DFH "big beers" (120min, WWS, D'Extra, Fort, Higher Math etc) usually go for about $10 a single bottle or $35-$40 a 4 pack, but they all in the 15-20% ABV range so its kinda reasonable for the "sophisticated drunk" (or sharing with friends). Your area stores never carried any of their big beers, but all the others? That is pretty odd.
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  38. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,937) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina

    We have a 15 abv cap here, but I’d give a single a shot though.
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  39. not2quick

    not2quick Devotee (411) Dec 1, 2015 Missouri
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    I've always wanted to try a SUPER fresh 120. Closest I've gotten was about 5 weeks or so. I solo domed that one and it did me in. I have liked them with age but I've always shared with others. I'm very particular when it comes to triple ipa's, but then again most of those are "only" in the <12% range.

    120min is a 8ft, 2 ton beast man that showers in grain alcohol and feeds it's baby shrimp scampi.
  40. officerbill

    officerbill Disciple (345) Feb 9, 2019 New York

    Even our local "beer only" store never stocked those. The most expensive 4 pack I had seen anywhere around here was $28 and the most expensive 12 oz was $8; there just isn't a market at that price point around here and the next most expensive 4 pack in this store is $18 (1/2 the price).