One wort, same yeast, two fermenters...different gravities?

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  1. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    Hi all,

    I have a pale ale (maybe more like an extra pale ale, overshot gravity a bit and wound up with 1.061) that I brewed 15 days ago. I did an 11 gallon batch, split the wort into two buckets, aerated both both worts by letting it fall from height out of the CFC output and with a few minutes of vigorous stirring, and divided out two healthy pitches of Wyeast 1968 grown up in the same stir-plate starter between the two buckets. On Sunday the 10th, I put the two fermenters in my insulated ferm chamber, bubblewrap/taped the probe to one of them, and set it at 64* (chilled to maybe a degree or two under that). Fermentation in both buckets took off pretty quickly, and I ramped temps up to 69* over the course of 13 days.

    On Saturday, I took gravity readings and samples at 13 days. One bucket fermented down to 1.014, and the other was sitting at about 1.022. The 1.014 sample tasted great, and the 1.022 sample was cloyingly sweet. Now, the thing that I discovered was that the bulb in my light-bulb-in-a-can fermentation heater had gone out, and the chamber was sitting at 57*. I figured that it had happened within the previous couple of days, as I'd been checking the temps pretty frequently earlier in fermenation. The better-attenuated batch was from the bucket that had been closer to the heat source, so I tried to rouse the yeast in the other by wiggling the bucket and banging on the sides at the bottom of it (didn't want to stir). I replaced the light bulb, switched buckets so the 1.022 one was closer to the heat source, and got temps back up.

    I checked today to dry hop, temp holding at 67. Bucket 1 was still sitting at 1.014, but bucket 2 had only come down to 1.020. The sample did not taste as sweet, but it seems to be stuck there. I'm on a bit of a schedule because I need to get the beer ready for a wedding. I probably need to get this beer kegged by this weekend. Options?

    Let it sit and see if it bucket 2 comes down any more? I thought about maybe blending 1/2 of each into each keg if bucket 2's gravity doesn't come down any more. Or, I also thought that maybe kegging bucket 2 with a white oak spiral might serve to give the perception of it drying out a bit more. Or should I crack bucket 2 open, stir the yeast cake up, and ramp fermentation temp up to 70?
     
  2. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    Edit: RDWHAHB? I also have a packet of US-05, never re-pitched before. The 1.020 isn't terrible in comparison to the same from the 1.014 bucket, but it galls me that they ended up at different spots.
     
  3. dgthrasher

    dgthrasher Crusader (412) Dec 27, 2008 Connecticut
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    transfer the 1.014 bucket into secondary, keg what ever. and transfer the 1.020 onto the yeast in the 1.014 bucket.. that should kick start fermentation, and it should drop, even if it looks like fermentation is barely moving.
     
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  4. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    The only think I can think of is that the yeast was not divided evenly. 1968 packs like mud, so if you cold crashed the starter dividing it evenly is difficult. I just did the same thing this weekend and had to really pay attention to getting the yeast into suspension and pouring evenly.

    Other than that, just mark the kegs put the one that finished at 14 on first and the one that finished at 20 last. Could be nobody will notice by then:slight_smile:.
     
  5. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    I've used 1968 in about the last 4-5 beers, but this was the first time I split it into to batches...after decanting off most of the starter beer, I put it back on the stirplate for the duration of the brew to warm to room temps and break up the big cottage cheese lumps, and I went straight from stirplate to pitching. I keep going back to the possible difference in temps between the fermenting buckets. Poured out of a graduated flask

    Could I just sanitize a cup and scoop a big dollop of yeast off the cake from the 1.014 bucket and dump it into the 1.020 bucket? Would like to avoid racking multiple times if it's not necessary.
     
  6. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    ´Could I just sanitize a cup and scoop a big dollop of yeast off the cake from the 1.014 bucket and dump it into the 1.020 bucket? Would like to avoid racking multiple times if it's not necessary.´



    I think this could be your best option because you have not enough time to condition these beers in a secondary, this way you avoid racking twice , you will need to be exrtremely careful in regards sanitazing your tools.You say you ´probably´will need to keg the beers this weekend, when does the wedding take place?
     
  7. Reneejane

    Reneejane Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2004 Illinois

    oh my, it's for a wedding. Well, then either, do as Nicefly suggested, put the 1.014 on first! I had trouble with 1968 in my mild, it is so highly flocculent that it settled out a bunch, I had to rouse it a lot to keep it moving to get down to a reasonable final gravity. repitching is scary. I had a mead get stuck, and what i did was boiled up some yeast nutrient, added that to my fermenter, and swirled it. You may need to (eek, I know) shake it to get it up off the bottom (I had to with my mild... don't worry though, thing won an award in a bjcp competition, so no damage done by shaking). So.... I'd feed, shake, heat, and keg it on Friday and do the crash kegging, where it's ready overnight (I kegged a beer with the rocking method and had it drinkable 3 hours after kegging though...)
     
  8. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Whoa!!! Slow down people...
    Don't transfer. Don't take yeast out of the other bucket, risking issues with both beers. You could re-pitch but may not need to, if you do re-hydrate the yeast first.

    But, I recently had a Wee Heavy stall on me because it got too cold. I carefully roused the yeast and warmed up fermentation (10pm on a Friday night), when I woke up the next morning the beer was happily fermenting again. I was prepared to re-hydrate and pitch some notty on top of it, but didn't need to.
     
  9. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    Thanks for the ideas...wedding is April 12th, but I like to have my beers kegged well in advance (had a dicey situation where I was rushed for time and ended up overcarbing and having to strip the excess CO2, thus stripping out all of the aroma of what was an exceptionally nice-smelling brew). I suppose I could wait longer to keg.
     
  10. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Fermentation started again, I would seriously leave it. I know you are in a time crunch, but you're at 1.020...seems like it is getting close.
     
  11. Reneejane

    Reneejane Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2004 Illinois

    *phew* 4/12 is forever from now. I thought you wanted it by Saturday 3/30! You can keg it MUCH MUCH sooner to the actual date.

    I would still get some yeast nutrient, seriously, it won't hurt, can only help, you just need to boil a cup of water, drop that in the bucket, give it a nice swirl, and that should work.

    I normally keg 3 days in advance of when I want to drink, but I've pushed it successfully with no issues in the past. you have to rock it though, like seriously rock it, to get that to work well.
     
  12. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    Yeah, should have mentioned that I actually had a bit of time. My plan was to dry-hop cold while carbing, as my kegged beers seem to be better after being on gas for a bit longer than how long it actually takes to carb up.
     
  13. warchez

    warchez Zealot (545) Oct 19, 2004 Massachusetts

    From your original post it sounded like you roused the yeast and replaced the bulb/resorted heating at the same time. You should have gotten the heat back up first, then roused the yeast. If you did it the way I read the post then the roused yeast were suspended into "cold" beer and just resettled. If the temp is up now, re-rouse and hope for the best. Don't be afraid to really swirl the bucket around to get that cake moving. It takes the entire volume moving even start getting the cake moving. If I read it wrong just ignore me.
     
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  14. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    Nope, you're right, good point...roused yeast and changed the bulb, closed it up for temps to climb. I'll re-rouse.
     
  15. Reneejane

    Reneejane Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2004 Illinois

    Warchez is right on his suggestions, it's going to really take a lot to move up the 1968 from the bottom. But, do add some yeast nutrient, too. It has nucleation particles that helps.
     
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  16. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I like the idea of blending. I think you should try this on a pint sized scale first. If you have a carb cap, use this and see how it goes. One beer might be better suited for a wedding than the other.
     
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  17. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    Update: Bucket 2 never did get down below 1.020 despite warming and rousing (didn't have yeast nutrient on hand, too busy to make it to the LHBS). It just crapped out I guess. It wasn't quite as cloying when I kegged it, and I went with my plan to use a white oak spiral in the 1.020 batch to see if it would lend some perceived dryness to the beer. My plan seemed to work! Pulled samples of both today, and the 1.020 batch with white oak was easily the wife's and my favorite. So I pulled a bigger sample, aka half a pint instead of a taster. It's really good--not too sweet at all, a bit of dryness from the oak, some coconut and vanilla playing with the tropical hops...it's freaking bang on, I'll be drinking this one all day Friday and steering people toward the run-of-the-mill non-oaked keg.
     
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